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  1. I honestly don’t even know what “true” means anymore :(.

  2. Is mathematics typographical?

  3. Are we just saying a string of symbols is “true” to kickstart our theory?

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    I like to take the viewpoint that we define an integer number system (for example) to be a collection $S$ of objects, together with operations $+$ and $\times$, such that the axioms for the integers are satisfied. I’m not claiming the axioms are “true”, I’m just defining an integer number system to be a thing that satisfies these axioms. Introducing or imagining the existence of an integer number system might be useful for modeling the physical world, but one must do experiments to check that integer models make accurate predictions in the real world. – littleO Nov 29 '23 at 12:52
  • "True" basically means it conforms the law of identity, or A=A. That's all logic is, comparing two things to see if they're the same or different. – Matt Gregory Nov 29 '23 at 12:54
  • "true" means exactly what it means in common sense usage: to agree with facts. Thus, when we say that the axioms of arithmetic are true, we mean that they correctly "describe" the usual known facts about numbers. – Mauro ALLEGRANZA Nov 29 '23 at 13:07
  • Repose to (1): this is a philosophical dilemma. Response to (2): What does "Is mathematics typographical?" mean? Response to (3): Yes. – Adam Rubinson Nov 29 '23 at 13:25
  • Axioms are not true or false in some meta way, they are used to separate objects that we want to study from the objects that we don't want to study. Is axiom of commutativity true or false? No. It's satisfied by some objects and not satisfied by other objects (and doesn't even make sense for many others). Only when you look at particular theory you get to define semantics for that theory and you can say what is true or false within that theory. Axioms that define that theory are then declared to be true. – Ennar Nov 29 '23 at 13:40
  • A well-formed formula φ is true in some Theory T ( T is a set of Axioms) iff T proves φ, i.e. there is a finite sequence of valid deductions ( implications) , starting from axioms in T , which in end with φ . Thus,axioms are vacuously true in any theory T, as φ always implies φ. Note: What constitutes a valid mathematical deduction, depends on what Axioms of Logic one is assuming, in your meta-mathematics. Also, notice with finitely many applications of Modus Ponens, if we have such a sequence of implications - any φ in the sequence can be shown to be true. – Michael Carey Nov 29 '23 at 20:05
  • Wow, thank you, this makes it a lot simpler than I was making it. Where did you learn this definition by the way? – Hasan Zaeem Nov 30 '23 at 04:19
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    @Michael Carey, what you describe is syntactic provability, not semantic truth. For "iff" to hold, you need soundness and completeness theorems. – Ennar Nov 30 '23 at 10:30
  • @HasanZaeem I'm glad it helped! I believe its the standard presentation taught in Mathematical Logic, at least that's how it was presented to me. – Michael Carey Nov 30 '23 at 13:12
  • @Ennar You are right. I figured going into any more technical detail would be getting away from the point. It's hard to gauge what level to present an idea on a public forum with varying backgrounds. But yes, my presentation is displaying truth as "theorems", on top of all the tools of first order logic. Which is something of a very math focused presentation. A more logic focused presentation would care about soundness and completeness. – Michael Carey Nov 30 '23 at 13:30
  • @Ennar thank you for pointing that out, soundness and completeness are of course extremely vital when discussing truth – Michael Carey Nov 30 '23 at 13:55
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    @Michael Carey, I agree that in "every day mathematics" we usually don't care about the difference between syntax and semantics that much, but as you say, distinction is very important from the perspective of mathematical logic, especially in the light of Gödel's theorems. – Ennar Nov 30 '23 at 14:21
  • @MichaelCarey What are the axioms of logic? Is there a general interpretation of mathematics? I’m thinking of first order logic / classical logic with modus pones etc, but are there more? Where can I read about it? – Hasan Zaeem Nov 30 '23 at 23:19
  • @HasanZaeem Kunen's "The Foundations of Mathematics" has a chapter on it. One's logic usually has a handful of axioms embedded in it. Some important ones have to do with =, and properties around Universal Quantifiers. Modus Ponens is a rule of inference- a way to get from one formula to another- so it's more like a derivation technique than an axiom. – Michael Carey Dec 01 '23 at 01:13