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In order to do that I want to find two subsequences $a_n$ and $b_n$ of $\sin (n) $ such that $\lim_{n \to +\infty} a_n $ and $\lim_{n \to +\infty} b_n$ are not the same number. Hints?

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Well if it approached some limit $L$, then $\sin^2 n$ approaches $L^2$ and $\cos^2 n$ approaches $1 - L^2$. For any integer $a$, we use the identity $$\sin(n + a) = \sin n \cos a + \cos n \sin a$$ This gives $$(\sin(n + a) - \sin n \cos a)^2 = \cos^2 n \sin^2 a$$ Now take the limit as $n$ goes to infinity, and you get $$(L - L \cos a)^2 = (1 - L^2) \sin^2 a$$ Equivalently, $${L^2 \over 1 - L^2} = \bigg({\sin a \over 1 - \cos a}\bigg)^2$$ (Take reciprocals of this if $L^2 = 1$).

However, ${\displaystyle \bigg({\sin a \over 1 - \cos a}\bigg)^2}$ is different for $a = 1$ and $2$ for example. Hence the limit cannot exist.

Zarrax
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  • As more or less a novice I don't quite follow the the move from step(3) to step(4) (Before and after "Equivalently"). Would you mind spelling it out in a bit more detail? What trig identities are involved? – RTF May 11 '23 at 01:52
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Each unit interval center on $\pi/2 + 2k\pi$,

$$ A_k = \left[ \frac{\pi}{2} + 2k\pi - \frac 12, \frac{\pi}{2} + 2k\pi + \frac 12\right] \quad\text{ for integers } k > 0$$

contains a unique positive integer. Call the sequence of such integers $a_k$.

If $\lim_{n\to\infty} \sin(n)$ exists then $\lim_{k\to\infty} \sin(a_k)$ also exists and is equal to that limit, call it $L$. Note that $L$ is positive as

$$L \geq \min_{k,x} \left\{ \sin x \ : \ x \in A_k \right\} = \min_x \left\{ \sin x \ : \ x \in \left[\frac \pi 2- \frac 12,\frac \pi 2+ \frac 12 \right] \right\} = \sin\left(\frac \pi 2- \frac 12\right) > 0$$

Now if we construct another sequence for integers in unit intervals centered on $3\pi/2 + 2k\pi$ we can bound $L < 0$. Contradiction and therefore no such $L$ exists.

Simon S
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A limit such as yours exists if corresponding $\limsup$ and $\liminf$ exist and are equal. For $\sin(x)$ as $x$ goes to infinity, $$ \limsup_{x \to \infty} \sin(x)=1$$ while $$ \liminf_{x \to \infty}\sin(x)=-1 .$$ Since these two limits are not equal, the original limit does not exist. When something is obvious the trick is often to return to definitions.

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Hint:

1) $a_n=n\pi$, $n\in\mathbb{Z}$

2) $b_n=(2n+1)\frac{\pi}{2}$, $n\in\mathbb{Z}$

What can you say about the value of $\sin$ evaluated at each term of the sequences $a_n,b_n$?

sammy
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