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I am a recruiter. I want to learn as much as I can about JEE5/JEE6 so when I try and find these types of candidates I can at least talk intelligently with them.

What I need to understand is what goes without saying? So for example, if you were a J2EE or had experience with JEE5 or JEE6, could I assume you had spring and hibernate? Could I assume you had Jboss and Jboss admin?

I guess it would be helpful if I posted a job description and let you guys tell me what is wrong with it?

Candidate must have the following skills:

  • Extensive experience with Java/J2EE Development
  • Experience with various Development Tools (Eclipse, SVN, etc.)
  • Database design and SQL expertise
  • Web Services
  • JavaServer Faces (JSF)
  • Model-View-Controller (MVC)
  • Comfortable working in a Unix/Linux environment
  • Maven
  • JBoss Deployment and Administration
  • Swing/AWT
  • Scrum/Agile
  • TeamForge

So if I was a certified J2EE would i have all these skills? Are these skills even grouped right? If you were writing this job description for a J2EE what would you change? I am trying to learn. I am not posting this to find candidates for a job. I am posting this to try and get a handle on what a hiring manager is asking for and be able to tell him, there is no way a J2EE has all these skills or, no problem, all J2EE's have these skills. Am I making sense?

tdammers
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    There is nothing wrong with the job ad as long as it reflects what the employer need. What is your question? Can you focus it a bit more, please? – Martin Wickman Mar 23 '13 at 07:29
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    Employers always ask for more than they can get. If I can do the job, I will apply. The same might not be true of others, however, and you might be turning away some good candidates with a skills list this specific. – Robert Harvey Mar 23 '13 at 15:06

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A regular JEE developer would know either most of those skills or the equivalent, except for one outlier: Swing/AWT. Those are both desktop application GUI programming, so a typical web developer would most likely not be very familiar with them (in the sense that they wouldn't use it often).

There are a few things on that list with equivalents that you may need to know about when talking to the candidate:

  • JavaServer Faces - JavaServer Pages is the biggest contender, otherwise there are other templating languages that can be used - Velocity and FreeMarker are popular options.
  • SVN - Git, Mercurial, and CVS are other common version control systems.
  • JBoss - Application server. Some other possibilities are Tomcat, Glassfish, and WebLogic.

Overall, nothing about that skill listing is too odd. It isn't asking for a skill in a completely unrelated skillset (such as another language or platform entirely).

The issue comes with assuming anything. Hibernate is a very common skill, but it can be used in multiple flavors. It is also very complex, so while a developer may know how to use it, they might not know how to set it up or the fine-tuning that could be necessary.

One last thing - JEE5/6 and Spring tend not to be used at the same time. For a long time Spring was how the JEE stack should have been - and then JEE5/6 brought in some of the features. Nowadays they are competing platforms. Nothing stops you from using Spring in a JEE project, but it would be adding redundant capabilities and complexity for no reason.

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I will run through the chances that a given software developer applying for a typical Java developer possesses the following skills:

Extensive experience with Java/J2EE Development Experience with various Development Tools (Eclipse, SVN, etc.)

Goes without saying

Database design and SQL expertise

Common

Web Services JavaServer Faces (JSF) Model-View-Controller (MVC) Comfortable working in a Unix/Linux environment Maven

Common for web application developers

JBoss Deployment and Administration Swing/AWT

Uncommon for web application developers

Scrum/Agile

Familiarity should be common but I don't think anybody should be discounted for not having worked in an Agile/Scrum environment before.

TeamForge

This should be a nice to have as this a very specific skill set that probably doesn't have a very high learning curve.

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