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Can someone help me with the following question?

The sum of two numbers is $18$ and their product is $45$. Find the numbers.

I know that the answer is $15$ and $3$. But how do I find that answer algebraically? It tried doing it as $x+y=18$ and $xy=45$ and then $x= 18-y$ and I substituted in $xy=45$. I got it as $(18-y)y =45$, and I don't know what to do next.

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A nice method for this type of problem is to note that since the two numbers add to $18$, they may be expressed as $9-a$ and $9+a$. Then the product being $45$ gives $$(9-a)(9+a)=45$$ $$81-a^2=45$$ $$a^2=36$$ $$a=\pm 6$$ The two values of $a$ give $x$ and $y$ as $9-6$ and $9+6$; or as $9-(-6)$ and $9+(-6)$. That is, $3$ and $15$ in either case.

paw88789
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While one can rotely apply the quadratic formula, their is a simpler way. Let the roots be $\, r,s.\,$ $\,(x\!-\!r)(x\!-\!s) = x^2\!-(r\!+\!s)x+rs = x^2\!-18x+45,\,$ so $\,r,s\,$ are integers by the Rational Root Test. But there are few integer factorizations $\,45 = rs.\,$ One quickly finds the one with $\,r\!+\!s = 18\,$

Optimizing further: $\,3\,$ divides the root sum, $\,3^2$ divides root product $\,\Rightarrow 3\,$ divides both roots, because $\, X^2 - 18 X + 45 = 9(x^2 - 6 x + 5),\ X = 3x,\,$ so we reduce to root sum $ = 6,\,$ product $= 5,\,$ which is easy to solve, since $\,5\,$ has only two factorizations $\, 5\cdot 1\,$ and $\ {-}5(-1).\,$

Remark $\ $ We factored the polynomial by exploiting the fact that its constant term (= value at $\,0)$ had few factorizations. This works much more generally, namely

Key Idea $\ $ The possible factorizations of a polynomial $\in\Bbb Z[x]$ are constrained by the factorizations of the integer values that the polynomial takes. For a simple example, if some integer value has few factorizations (e.g. a unit $\,\pm1 $ or prime $p$) then the polynomial must also have few factors, asssuming that that the factors are distinct at the evaluation point. More precisely

If $\, f(x) = f_1(x)\cdots f_k(x)\,$ and $\,f_i\in\Bbb Z[x]\,$ satisfy $\color{#0a0}{f_i(n) \ne f_j(n)}\,$ for $\,i\ne j,$ all $\,n\in \Bbb Z$

$\quad \color{}{f(n) =\pm1}\,\Rightarrow\, k\le 2\ $ else $1$ would have $\rm\,3\,\ \color{#0a0}{distinct}$ factors $\,f_1(n),f_2(n),f_3(n)$

$\quad f(n) = \pm p\,\Rightarrow\, k\le \color{#c0f}4\ $ since a prime $p$ has at most $\,\color{#c0f}4\,$ distinct factors $\,\pm1,\pm p$

You can find specific applications of these ideas in some prior posts here.

Remark $\ $ One can push the key idea to the hilt to obtain a simple algorithm for polynomial factorization using factorization of its integer values and Lagrange interpolation. The ideas behind this algorithm are due in part to Bernoulli, Schubert, Kronecker. See this answer for references.

Bill Dubuque
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  • Regarding the first paragraph (and in particular the use of the rational root test), I have a hard time thinking of circumstances in which the use of 'number' with no qualifiers (as in the question) would imply rational but not already imply integer; this seems superfluous to me. (And of course, if you don't know that $x$ and $y$ are rational you can't apply the RRT in the first place.) – Steven Stadnicki Aug 27 '14 at 15:09
  • @Steven Quick checks for "obvious" (rational) roots is usually the first thing one tries for problems like this. With practice, one can do the above in less than $10$ seconds of mental arithmetic, so little time is lost even if it does not apply. Moreover, as I wrote, the idea extends to a simple algorithm to factor polynomials (though inefficient compared to more sophisticated modern algorithms) – Bill Dubuque Aug 27 '14 at 15:13
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As Travis says, you can use the quadratic formula: $$18y - y^2 = 45$$ $$y^2 - 18y + 45 = 0$$ $$y = 9 \pm \sqrt{9^2-45} = 9 \pm 6$$

Turion
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$p+q=18 \\ \text{& } pq=45$

So,

$p=\large\frac{45}q$

$\frac{45}q+q=18$

$q^2+45-18q=0$

$q^2-15q-3q+45=0$

$q(q-15)-3(q-15)=0$

$(q-3)(q-15)=0$

Or, q is either 3 or 15.

That makes p either 15 or 3.

MonK
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