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I've recently found an article (referred somewhere on this site) criticizing the use of common rules of algebra on infinite series. To be honest, the video referred is one of the videos of Numberphile I liked the most. I mean, informally, to say a rule doesn't hold, I think one should find an example (in modern logic, a $\forall$ statement is true by default, and a $\exists$ false); say, associativity of addition for infinite series:

$$ S_1=(1-1)+(1-1)+(1-1)+(1-1)\cdots=0\\ S_2=1+(-1+1)+(-1+1)+(-1+1)+\cdots=1\\ \therefore S_1\neq S_2 $$

But what inconsistency does:

$$ \begin{align} S=1&-1+1-1+\cdots\\ S+S=1&-1+1-1+\cdots+\\ &+1-1+1-1+\cdots=1\iff\\ \iff2S=1&\iff S=\frac12 \end{align} $$

create? I'm not even getting into Cesàro summation. Why does the limit of a sum have to equal the sum itself?

Why can't we have

$$ \frac12=\sum_{n=0}^\infty\ (-1)^n\neq \lim_{x\to\infty}\sum_{n=0}^x\ (-1)^n= \text{st}\sum_{n=0}^H\ (-1)^n= \text{undefined} $$

After all, in here $x$ is an arbitrarily big real number, $H$ is a positive infinite hyperinteger number and $\infty$ is NaN, not a number. Where is the inconsistency?

Edit:

There are already a lot of comments, and I feel I haven't made myself clear. Maybe the question is more philosophical than I thought. Here is an attempt to make my still developing points clearer:

  1. $\cdots$ means the continuation to infinity of a series that continues the most simple pattern.

    • Example: $\displaystyle\sum_{n=0}^\infty\ (-1)^n$ means that for whatever number you have taken the partial sum, you are as far from the result as you were in the beginning. As by $6.$, such non-converging sum cannot be computed directly.
  2. In the first example, it is proven that associativity does not hold for all infinite series, at least for divergent series, the same way $\sqrt a \sqrt b=\sqrt{ab}$ does not hold in $\mathbb C$. However, non-contradicting laws for associativity can be found:

    • Associativity may not work infinitely for numbers within the same series, as $S\neq S_1\neq S_2\neq S$ shows. However, it works pairwise between infinite series. $$ \begin{align} S+S=1&-1+1-1+\cdots+\\ &+1-1+1-1+\cdots \end{align} $$ is the same as $$ S+S=1+(-1+1)+(+1-1)+(-1+1)+\cdots $$ which is $1$, as we have seen. This rule is consistent. Other pairwise associations for this will either give the same, or $2-2+2-2+\cdots$, which is also $1$.
    • In other words, for any numbers, associativity works. So it works pairwise (2 series, 2 numbers per application), an infinite number of times. But it doesn't work within the same series, as each set of numbers would be a finite series, infinity is not a number, so it can't have not-a-number of times per application. That is, $$ S_1=(1-1)+(1-1)+(1-1)+\cdots $$ is the same as $$ \begin{align} S_1=1+&1+1+\cdots\\ -1-&1-1+\cdots \end{align} $$ and not the same as $$ \begin{align} S=1-&1+\\ +1-&1+\\ +1-&1+\\ +\cdots \end{align} $$
  3. The limit of a sum equals the sum when the sum converges. Example: $$ \sum_{n=0}^\infty 2^{-n}=\lim_{x\to\infty}\sum_{n=0}^x 2^{-n}=2 $$

  4. The limit of a non-converging sum does not exist or is infinity, not a number. All sums have a value, even thought their limits might not have one, or the value of the sum is infinity.

    • If that is the case, infinity, as not a number, cannot be directly summed with another sum (eliminating problems as $\infty-\infty$ by reason of lack of information).
    • If according to non-contradictory rules, a value can be assigned to a sum, that is the value of the sum. See the example above for $1-1+1-1+\cdots$
  5. To distinguish between the values of two non-convergent sums, they first must be computed according to non-contradictory rules. Then their values can be compared, by transitivity of equality.

  6. A divergent sum cannot be computed directly (the reason why $S\neq S_1\neq S_2\neq S$), as by definition of infinity, one cannot reach it. Again, use non-contradictory rules, making a finite number of changes that maintain the value of the divergent sum (see the examples' consistency).

Thank you for reading,

JMCF125
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    Nothing wrong in algebra with converging infinite series... – DonAntonio May 03 '14 at 15:36
  • @DonAntonio, my point is, just because the limit equals the sum in converging series, and isn't defined on diverging, that doesn't mean the sum hasn't a well defined value. – JMCF125 May 03 '14 at 15:37
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    Yes @JMCF125, that's exactly what it means, by definition. – DonAntonio May 03 '14 at 15:38
  • @DonAntonio, that sounds more like a purposeless restriction than a definition. What inconsistencies would it generate for the value of a non-convergent sum to be different from the limit? That's my question. – JMCF125 May 03 '14 at 15:40
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    As far as you don't give a mathematical, consistent definition of "value of infinite series" other than the usual, standard one, I can't understand what we're talking about here, @JMCF . – DonAntonio May 03 '14 at 15:52
  • @JMCF125 The definition of an infinite series is literally $\sum_{n=0}^\infty f(n) = \lim_{N\rightarrow\infty}\sum_{n=0}^N f(n)$, so that is why your not-equals sign doesn't make any sense in the last equation. – Eff May 03 '14 at 16:02
  • @DonAntonio, here goes a try: it is, for all $x$, the sum taken to a value greater than $x$. – JMCF125 May 03 '14 at 16:03
  • @user112061, that closes too many doors. One can often assign a value to a series that does not converge, and does not have a limit at infinity. – JMCF125 May 03 '14 at 16:04
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    @JMCF125 You can, but that doesn't mean it will be meaningful. You have to define how you assign those values, and then it will only be meaningful in that context. – Eff May 03 '14 at 16:09
  • @user112061, they're assigned case by case, using non-contradictory rules. Every non-contradictory result is meaningful. – JMCF125 May 03 '14 at 16:09
  • @JMCF125, what you gave above is not an actual definition of anything that makes the sense that, apparently, you want it to make: how do I, or you or whoever, distinguish between the values of $;1+2+3+4+...+n+...;$ and $;1+2+4+8+16+...2^n+...;$ ? – DonAntonio May 03 '14 at 16:18
  • @DonAntonio, you compute both using non-contradictory rules, and check if they're different. Then, by transitivity of equality... – JMCF125 May 03 '14 at 16:21
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    @JMCF125, it seems like you've some sense of an idea, but either you can't express it in a mathematically coherent fashion...or else I'm unable to understand you: too many things left flying in the air... – DonAntonio May 03 '14 at 16:22
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    I think its fine if you have a way to define the value of an infinite sum that agrees in the case of convergence in the standard sense but has some other value otherwise (this is done, as you mention, with Cesaro summation and other types of summation), and then it is just a matter of checking that the rules of algebra you are curious about are preserved by those extensions. It may be that the inconsistencies you mention are only such in one setting, and not another – user139388 May 03 '14 at 16:24
  • @user139388, then why didn't you up-vote? ;) I completely agree with your comment. This reminds me of division by zero... – JMCF125 May 03 '14 at 16:30
  • @DonAntonio, doesn't it make more sense now? – JMCF125 May 03 '14 at 21:02
  • @JMCF125 No, not really...at least not to me. Your passing to the limit in your new point (3) and, in particular, its result (which is 2) is something I can't make any sense of mathematically. In four you say "all series have a value..."...but what that "value" is something I, and perhaps others, have not the slightest idea. Thus, what's the point to mention this? I checked your profile and it says you're 15. Nice you have these thoughts and ideas, yet I think you must study a little more actual mathematics... – DonAntonio May 03 '14 at 21:42
  • @DonAntonio, sorry, I meant $2^{-n}$. :S – JMCF125 May 03 '14 at 21:49
  • @DonAntonio, that one was supposed to be the point everyone agrees with. If you notice better you'll see I said it converges, it couldn't be $2^n$. But now, what do you think? – JMCF125 May 03 '14 at 21:52
  • @DonAntonio, while searching similar questions, I have found this as a reference. It seems interesting, also assigning a value to all series. Unfortunately, the page doesn't develop into formalizations, which was what I was looking for. Now doesn't that make more sense? – JMCF125 May 03 '14 at 21:56
  • @JMCF125, yes: that makes sense, though I don't know whether it goes a long way into interesting things...or, at least, interesting to me . – DonAntonio May 04 '14 at 03:34
  • @DonAntonio, isn't attributing a value to series that never ends interesting? A value that might initially seem ludicrous, but that appears as only result by whatever consistent means are used (expl.: $1+2+3+4+5+\cdots=-\frac1{12}$ by algebraic manipulation or analytic extension of the Riemann zeta function). If exploring the limits of algebra on infinite series isn't interesting, I don't know what is. – JMCF125 May 04 '14 at 14:05
  • @JMCF125, I'm more into number theory and abstract algebra. That stuff doesn't appeal a lot to me. – DonAntonio May 04 '14 at 15:56
  • Regarding your edit: I get the impression that you don't really understand how mathematics works, in particular that you don't know what a mathematical definition really is. Have you ever seen the full, detailed definition for, say, the limit of a sequence? – Jack M Jun 03 '14 at 23:44
  • See my answer to this question: https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1100668/using-the-rules-that-prove-the-sum-of-all-natural-numbers-is-frac112-ho/1100964#1100964 – mjqxxxx May 24 '18 at 03:10

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What's wrong is that it's gibberish. You haven't actually made any concrete claim at all, you've just written some symbols down.

$$S=1-1+1-1...$$

What the hell does that mean? You haven't told me what the symbols on the right hand side represent, so I have no idea what's being claimed when you say that $S$ "equals" the right hand side.

$$S+S=...$$

And now you want to take this meaningless, undefined object, and add it to itself?

When I say it's gibberish, I really mean it. You may as well have written down:

$$S=SDG\mathcal{RREG}20358!!!?++()))($$

When you write down an expression using symbols, you need to specify what those symbols mean. That sounds obvious, but sometimes we write down meaningless things without realizing it. You simply never gave a definition for what object the symbolic expression $1-1+1-1...$ refers to.

Now, you could provide such a definition. And if, after doing that, you could prove that, under that definition, we are indeed justified in adding $S+S$ and rearranging the terms in the way that you did, you would be fine. But you have to prove that.

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  • It means to take the sum all the way to infinity, not to see the limit of greater and greater partial sums. What else could it mean? – JMCF125 May 03 '14 at 15:52
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    What does "taking the sum all the way to infinity" mean mathematically ? – DonAntonio May 03 '14 at 15:52
  • @DonAntonio, it means you continue to sum up numbers independently of the number of times that you have done that. What is inconsistent in this? – JMCF125 May 03 '14 at 15:58
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    @JMCF125 Okay, so let $(a_n)$ be a sequence of real numbers. What is your definition for what number $\sum a_n$ equals? Note that "You contine to sum up the $a_n$" doesn't refer to number, it refers to a process. – Jack M May 03 '14 at 16:04
  • @JackM, but the sum is a process. It is its result that is a number or not. – JMCF125 May 03 '14 at 16:06
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    @JMCF125 No, the sum is the result. Additions of addends is the process. – Eff May 03 '14 at 16:17
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    @JMCF125, how long do I have to sum up numbers? What if you get tired before I do? Will our results be different? I can't talk for you, but I've stuff to do: I cannot sum all the time... – DonAntonio May 03 '14 at 16:20
  • @DonAntonio, you cannot sum them one by one. That's the difference from limits. There will always be a greater number, and so you'll never reach the value of the sum. You can only make a truly infinite sum of something you know the final result, such as $0+0+0+\cdots$. And so you have to see check coherent relations between these and other sums case by case. Honestly, this question is turning out to be more philosophical than I thought... – JMCF125 May 03 '14 at 16:26
  • Hmm...perhaps, so @JMCF125. Time to stop for me. – DonAntonio May 03 '14 at 16:40
  • @DonAntonio, I'll edit the question for clarifications. You have all given me ideas to reflect on and try to improve the question. Then I hope you can give me an answer. – JMCF125 May 03 '14 at 16:44
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I was asked to develop my comment into an answer. I haven't taken the time to read the somewhat lengthy discussion surrounding this post, but here is my take.

For a given sequence $\{a_n\}_{n \geq 1}$ of numbers one can associate many possible values. In the case that $\{a_n \}_{n \geq 1}$ is summable, a common value to associate to it is $$ S = \lim_{n \to \infty} \sum_{i=1}^n a_i $$ which the notations $$ \sum_{i=1}^\infty a_i \quad \text{ and} \quad a_1 + a_2 + \ldots $$ are used to denote. It happens that for convergent series some nice properties hold, such as $\sum_{i=1}^\infty a_i + \sum_{i=1}^\infty b_i = \sum_{i=1}^\infty (a_i+b_i)$.

Of course, there may be other value association rules one would wish to employ. One you mentioned is Cesaro summation, which it happens specifies a value for a strictly larger set of sequences than does the convergent series rule, as I'll term it, and which yields the same value for members of both sets. The series you mention is a prominent example of something for which the Cesaro rule produces a value, but the convergent series rule does not.

Now, a few points:

  1. I am not sure of any well studied rules which assign values to all possible sequences (though trivial rules like "the value is the magnitude of the $10^{th}$ term" could be chosen).
  2. Since the notation $a_1 + a_2 + \ldots$ is, as far as I am aware, only standard for sequences $\{a_n\}_{n \geq 1}$ yielding convergent series, I'd be careful with notation, or at least specify clearly what your notation means a priori.
  3. Your ultimate question about whether something like associativity of the terms holds will depend on your rule. Without precisely specifying an exact rule, no one can say whether a given property will hold.

I suspect that the sensation of the question is that many people, possibly including yourself, are unsure exactly which rule you are using, and this confusion is compounded by the fact that the notation you are using is standard notation for a rule which you clearly cannot be using (namely the convergent series rule).

I hope that was helpful!

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  • +1, indeed I'm not sure what that associativity (referred in my question edit point $2.$) means, but there does seem to be some coherence. While searching similar questions, I have found the values to any sum I'm pointing out are probably Ramanujan summations. – JMCF125 May 03 '14 at 21:47
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You ask what inconsistency is there in \begin{align} S=1&-1+1-1+\cdots\\ S+S=1&-1+1-1+\cdots+\\ &+1-1+1-1+\cdots=1\iff\\ \iff2S=1&\iff S=\frac12 \end{align}

You said before that $$S_1=(1-1)+(1-1)+(1-1)+(1-1)\cdots=0\\ S_2=1+(-1+1)+(-1+1)+(-1+1)+\cdots=1\\ $$ In the reasoning I copied first, you decided to use the "$S_2$" convention. But unless you believe that what you wrote for $S_1$ is wrong, you could have used that one too. So $$ 2S=0. $$ And you have proven that $1=0$.

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  • As I said, one can prove that way associativity doesn't hold for infinite series. That means $S\neq S_1\neq S_2\neq S$. I'm not adding an infinite number of parentheses in $S$, as I did to show the incorrect associativity in $S_1$ and $S_2$. – JMCF125 May 03 '14 at 15:42
  • And what is the "correct associativity"? – Martin Argerami May 03 '14 at 15:55
  • maybe infinite series just don't have that property, just as as complex numbers don't have $\sqrt a \sqrt b=\sqrt{ab}$. – JMCF125 May 03 '14 at 15:57
  • Of course they don't (unless they converge absolutely). But then how do you know that $1-1+1-1+\cdots+1-1+1-1+\cdots=1$? – Martin Argerami May 03 '14 at 17:47
  • I don't know that $1-1+1-1+\cdots=1$, and I can't, because that is false. But $1+(-1+1)+(-1+1)+\cdots=1$. That is the point: "infinite associativity" doesn't work, at least for divergent series. I know that $S+S=1$ because of commutativity. – JMCF125 May 03 '14 at 18:30
  • I don't see how you conclude that $S+S=1$, then. – Martin Argerami May 03 '14 at 18:36
  • That's because $S+S=1+(-1+1)+(-1+1)+\cdots$ by nature. It also equals $2-2+2-2+\cdots$, but that is not simpler than the original, and doesn't give us a number for the sum. In fact you are right, it is associativity, but now I have a stronger argument that tells when can one use associativity. I'll add it to the question ASAP. – JMCF125 May 03 '14 at 19:03
  • What's "by nature"? You still haven't said what the symbols "1-1+1-1+\cdots$ mean. – Martin Argerami May 03 '14 at 19:05
  • What I want to state is too long to put in a comment. I'll add it to the question. But it will make more sense. – JMCF125 May 03 '14 at 19:08
  • What do you think now? Doesn't it make some sense? – JMCF125 May 03 '14 at 20:01