So, I've come across a question that asked "Simplify the sum $\sqrt[3]{18+5\sqrt{13}}+\sqrt[3]{18-5\sqrt{13}}$". As I've had little to no experience with these kinds of questions, I would really appreciate it if someone answers this question and provides a way to remove double cube roots like this. I've tried $\sqrt[3]{18+5\sqrt{13}}+\sqrt[3]{18-5\sqrt{13}}=x$ and cubing both sides but that just made it even messier. I thought about multiplying both sides by $\sqrt[3]{(18+5√13)}^2$ but abandoned the attempt after realising I gave x a complicated coefficient.
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3Compute the cube to find a relation between this number and its cube. – Christophe Leuridan Nov 16 '23 at 11:12
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1You can also try to express $18 + 5\sqrt{13}$ as $(m + n\sqrt{13})^3$ for some $m, n$, possibly whole numbers. – Trebor Nov 16 '23 at 11:13
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I've been thinking about turning this into an equation of ∛(18+5√13)+∛(18-5√13)=x but have no idea of how to progress after that. Also, I'm in middle school so please don't post a super complicated answer :) – Mxelawl Nov 16 '23 at 11:18
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1What have you tried? Show your attempts – Lion Heart Nov 16 '23 at 11:22
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You may find this helpful. Search for more using denesting cube roots as a buzzword. – Jyrki Lahtonen Nov 16 '23 at 11:25
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User Christophe told you exactly what to do: compute the cube of your number, and then find a relation between the number and the cube. Do you know what $(a+b)^3$ looks like, when you multiply it out? – Gerry Myerson Nov 16 '23 at 11:26
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Thanks Jyrki, that seems like what I was looking for. – Mxelawl Nov 16 '23 at 11:30
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1BTW, $18^2-13×5^2=-1$ – PM 2Ring Nov 16 '23 at 11:32
2 Answers
Since $(a+b)^3=a^3+b^3 + 3ab(a+b)$
$(\sqrt[3]{18+5\sqrt{13}}+\sqrt[3]{18-5\sqrt{13}})^3=18+5\sqrt{13} + 18-5\sqrt{13} +3\times \sqrt[3]{18+5\sqrt{13}}\times \sqrt[3]{18-5\sqrt{13}}(\sqrt[3]{18+5\sqrt{13}}+\sqrt[3]{18-5\sqrt{13}}) $
$(\sqrt[3]{18+5\sqrt{13}}+\sqrt[3]{18-5\sqrt{13}})^3=18+5\sqrt{13} + 18-5\sqrt{13} +3\times \sqrt[3]{(18+5\sqrt{13})\times (18-5\sqrt{13})}(\sqrt[3]{18+5\sqrt{13}}+\sqrt[3]{18-5\sqrt{13}}) $
$(\sqrt[3]{18+5\sqrt{13}}+\sqrt[3]{18-5\sqrt{13}})^3=18+5\sqrt{13} + 18-5\sqrt{13} +3\times \sqrt[3]{-1}(\sqrt[3]{18+5\sqrt{13}}+\sqrt[3]{18-5\sqrt{13}}) $
$(\sqrt[3]{18+5\sqrt{13}}+\sqrt[3]{18-5\sqrt{13}})^3=36 +3\times (-1)\times (\sqrt[3]{18+5\sqrt{13}}+\sqrt[3]{18-5\sqrt{13}}) $
Let $x=\sqrt[3]{18+5\sqrt{13}}+\sqrt[3]{18-5\sqrt{13}}$
$x^3+3x-36=(x-3)(x^2 +3x+12)=0$
$x=3$ is the only real solution

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Analytically compute $\displaystyle ~\sqrt[3]{18 + 5\sqrt{13}} + \sqrt[3]{18 - 5\sqrt{13}}.$
$\underline{\text{Preliminary Considerations}}$
$$\left[ ~r + s\sqrt{13} ~\right]^3 = \left[r^3 + (39 rs^2) \right] + \sqrt{13}\left[ ~3r^2s + 13s^3 ~\right]. \tag1 $$
$$\left[ ~r - s\sqrt{13} ~\right]^3 = \left[r^3 + (39 rs^2) \right] - \sqrt{13}\left[ ~3r^2s + 13s^3 ~\right]. \tag2 $$
So, you are looking for real numbers $~r,s,~$ such that :
- $~\displaystyle \left[ ~r + s\sqrt{13} ~\right]^3 = 18 + 5\sqrt{13}.$
- $~\displaystyle \left[ ~r - s\sqrt{13} ~\right]^3 = 18 - 5\sqrt{13}.$
I know of two generic approaches:
$\underline{\text{Method 1}}$
Using a calculator, you have that
$$\sqrt[3]{18 + 5\sqrt{13}} + \sqrt[3]{18 - 5\sqrt{13}} = 3.$$
This implies that $~r = \dfrac{3}{2}.~$
Then, the next step is to use the first term on the RHS of (1) above to solve for $~s~$ where
$$\frac{27}{8} + \left[ ~\frac{39 \times 3}{2} s^2 ~\right] = 18 \implies $$
$$\frac{117}{8} = \frac{117}{2} s^2 \implies s = \pm \frac{1}{2}.$$
Cursory examination of the second term on the RHS of (1) above indicates that $~s~$ must be $~> 0.~$ So, it only remains to sanity check $~s = \dfrac{1}{2}, ~$ using the second term on the RHS of (1) above:
$$\left[ ~\frac{3 \times 9}{4} \times \frac{1}{2} ~\right] + \frac{13}{8} = \frac{27 + 13}{8} = 5.$$
$\underline{\text{Method 2}}$
Use Quanto's answer to this MathSE denesting question, which is shown below for reference:
Apply the known denesting formula $$\sqrt[3]{a+b \sqrt c}=\frac12\sqrt[3]{3bt-a}\left(1+\frac1t \sqrt c\right)$$
where $t$ satisfies $$t^3-\frac{3a}bt^2+3c t-\frac{ac}b=0. \tag3 $$
Since the expression to denest is
$\displaystyle ~\sqrt[3]{18 + 5 \sqrt{13}}, ~$
you have that $~(a,b,c) = (18,5,13).$
Therefore, the cubic to be satisfied, which is represented by (3) above, is actually
$$t^3 + t^2\left[ ~-\frac{54}{5} ~\right] + t[ ~39 ~] + \left[ ~-\frac{234}{5} ~\right] = 0. \implies $$
$$f(t) = t^3[ ~5 ~] + t^2\left[ ~-54 ~\right] + t[ ~195 ~] + \left[ ~-234 ~\right] = 0. \tag4 $$
Note that it is sufficient to find any of the 3 roots to (4) above [i.e. $~f(t) = 0$], to serve as the value of $~t.~$ Naturally, it is preferred to find a real root. In general, there are two methods of solving a cubic equation, such as the one in (4) above:
Hope that at least one of the roots is rational, and use the rational root theorem.
This should be your first try.Use the method discussed in this article on cubic equations. This should be your last resort.
Using the rational root theorem, you are looking for a satisfying value of $~\displaystyle t = \frac{p}{q},~$ where $~p,q~$ are relatively prime integers, and where:
$p~$ is a factor of $~234 = 2 \times 3^2 \times 13.$
$q~$ is a factor of $~5.$
Before engaging in blind guesswork, note that
$f'(t) = 15t^2 - 108t + 195 = 3(5t^2 - 36t + 65)$
$\displaystyle = \frac{3}{5} (25t^2 - 180t + 325) = \frac{3}{5} \left[ ~(5t - 18)^2 + 1 ~\right].~$
So, $~f'(t)~$ is always positive. Therefore, (4) above will have exactly one real root. Also, since $~f(0) = -234, ~$ the root must be positive. Further, since $~f(1) = -88 ~$ and $~f(5) = 16,~$ you must have that $~1 < t < 5.$
Using these results, you can use trial and error on the viable values of $~(p,q)~$ to determine that $~f(3) = 0.~$
Therefore, $~\displaystyle ~\sqrt[3]{18 + 5 \sqrt{13}}~$ is denested to
$$\frac{1}{2} \sqrt[3]{45-18} \left[ ~1 + \frac{1}{3}\sqrt{13} ~\right] = \frac{3}{2} + \frac{1}{2}\sqrt{13}.$$
$\underline{\text{Addendum-1}}$
In general, I advise sticking with either of the two methods shown above, and I advise against trying to directly use that
$$\left[ ~r + s\sqrt{w} ~\right]^3 = \left[r^3 + (3 rs^2w) \right] + \sqrt{w}\left[ ~3r^2s + ws^3 ~\right]. $$
$$\left[ ~r - s\sqrt{w} ~\right]^3 = \left[r^3 + (3 rs^2w) \right] - \sqrt{w}\left[ ~3r^2s + ws^3 ~\right]. $$
The point is that (to the best of my knowledge), there is no elegant analytical method of solving the simultaneous equations:
$$r^3 + (3 rs^2w) = M, ~~~(3r^2s) + ws^3 = N \\ \text{where} ~~M,N,w ~~\text{are known}.$$
Further, in those situations, where a viable guess to the above equations proves accurate, I suspect (without knowing for sure) that method 2 above will yield a rational root for $~t.~$
Since applying the rational root theorem to a cubic equation is not that bad, and takes very little creativity (unlike the enlightened guesswork approach of attacking two simultaneous non-linear equations), I give preference to method 2.
$\underline{\text{Addendum-2}}$
A very reasonable perspective is to regard method 1 as off limits, since it uses a calculator. In fact, there is a hybrid approach of method 1 and method 2 that does not involve a calculator, and is arguably superior to using only method 2.
Examining method 2, you have that
when $~\displaystyle \sqrt[3]{a + b\sqrt{c}}~$ denests to $~\displaystyle r + s\sqrt{c},~$
that $\displaystyle ~r = \frac12\sqrt[3]{3bt-a}.$Often, when examining the two terms:
$~\displaystyle \sqrt[3]{a + b\sqrt{c}}~~$ and $~~\displaystyle \sqrt[3]{a - b\sqrt{c}},~~$
one of the two terms will be relatively small.
Further, it will often be fairly easy to mentally approximate (without any calculator) the other term.
So, you will have a rough estimate of
$$r = \frac{1}{2} \sqrt[3]{3bt-a}.$$
In the above equation, with $~a,b~$ known, and $~r~$ approximated, you can approximate $~t.~$
Such an approximation will often streamline the use of the rational root theorem, because it will drastically affect which values of $~(p,q) : t = \dfrac{p}{q}~$ are viable.

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