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for background I am a high schooler. I know some higher math (complex analysis, group theory etc) but it seems I am fairly out of my depth in this question.

I have had a nagging question that entered my mind a while back that I hope someone on here can help me with. I have being thinking about elementary algebra and its "consistency" -- after googling I think that is the right word.

It seems that everything hinges on our elementary algebra rules not conflicting, but I can not think of a way to make sure they do not. Is there some proof to ease my mind?

I am also equally curious about this same question but for geometry.

Also I was wondering

if I can define geometry by algebra (and coordinates) would showing algebra has no contradictions be enough to show geometry has none?

If there is some kind of proof I would be very interested in knowing more, so resources on that kind of thing (showing arbitrary sets of axioms do not make contradictions) would be much appreciated.

Hopefully I was able to properly ask my question, It is hard to find the right words when I know so little about it.

  • @MauroALLEGRANZA This does seems like what I am looking for, but since I do not know any first order logic etc, most all of it is unintelligible to me. I have looked up a bit about first order logic but it seems I am missing some things to understand it. Do you know where I should look (terms to google etc)? – Patrick Dugan Aug 29 '22 at 14:47
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    About consistency, completeness, decidability etc., I advise you to begin by seeing how arithmetic on $\mathbb{N}$ has been axiomatised in different ways (for example Peano arithmetic, Presburger arithmetic...). It may be easier to "grasp" than in particular the way geometry has been axiomatised. – Jean Marie Aug 29 '22 at 17:18
  • This online Stanford Introduction to Logic may be useful to you. You will need to know a lot of this material to make sense of the proofs of consistency offered in other comments. You ask a wonderful, key question about algebra: is it consistent? Keep asking these out-of-the-box questions and let them lead you wherever they take you.... – ShyPerson Aug 30 '22 at 01:34
  • ...In any case, the study of formal logic will be of great aid to you in all your future mathematical and scientific endeavors. As for your question about geometry, no, the consistency of algebra is not enough. You would need to show that your definition of geometry is consistent as well. – ShyPerson Aug 30 '22 at 01:34
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    As for the consistency of algebra, the reference in the other comment is saying that yes, elementary algebra is consistent because the axioms are all satisfied by the usual real numbers. – ShyPerson Aug 30 '22 at 03:34
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    Thanks @ShyPerson - what I mean is that there a no specific axioms for "elementary algebra": the axioms needed are those for real numbers. – Mauro ALLEGRANZA Aug 30 '22 at 05:47
  • I find it reassuring that after thousands of years of study and wide application, there are currently no known inconsistencies in elementary algebra. It works. I can live without an ironclad, money-back guarantee in this case. – Dan Christensen Sep 01 '22 at 04:02

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I appreciate your curiosity. In regard to the information you give (that you are a secondary school student, etc.), I'd recommend you (I suspect, as second to none) Douglas Hofstadter's Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid in order to form a firm conceptual basis (which is indispensable not to get lost on the way). Aiming at a popular audience, the discussion roams over a broad range of topics the author intertwines. The following excerpt (p. 94) may suggest that it covers also the subjects you look for:

A full formalization of geometry would take the drastic step of making every term undefined—that is, turning every term into a "meaningless" symbol of a formal system. I put quotes around "meaningless" because, as you know, the symbols automatically pick up passive meanings in accordance with the theorems they occur in. It is another question, though, whether people discover those meanings, for to do so requires finding a set of concepts which can be linked by an isomorphism to the symbols in the formal system. If one begins with the aim of formalizing geometry, presumably one has an intended interpretation for each symbol, so that the passive meanings are built into the system. That is what I did for p and q when I first created the pq-system.

But there may be other passive meanings which are potentially perceptible, which no one has yet noticed. For instance, there were the surprise interpretations of p as "equals" and q as "taken from", in the original pq-system. Although this is rather a trivial example, it contains the essence of the idea that symbols may have many meaningful interpretations—it is up to the observer to look for them.

We can summarize our observations so far in terms of the word "consistency". We began our discussion by manufacturing what appeared to be an inconsistent formal system—one which was internally inconsistent, as well as inconsistent with the external world. But a moment later we took it all back, when we realized our error: that we had chosen unfortunate interpretations for the symbols. By changing the interpretations, we regained consistency! It now becomes clear that consistency is not a property of a formal system per se, but depends on the interpretation which is proposed for it. By the same token, inconsistency is not an intrinsic property of any formal system.

As for the style of the book, these words from a review give a fair description:

Professor Hofstadter's presentation of these ideas is not rigorous, in the mathematical sense, but all the essential steps are there; the reader is not asked to accept results on authority or on faith. Nor is the narrative rigorous in the uphill-hiking sense, for the author is always ready to take the reader's hand and lead him through the thickets.

The book has been translated, published and read all over the world since 1979. You can freely read it at or download its pdf from archive.org. I suppose one can get a second-hand in-good-condition copy of it at quite an affordable price today.

Tankut Beygu
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    [+1] You are right to advise this book. Besides, there are other didactic books completely devoted to logic like "Logic, Its Scope and Limits" by Richard Jeffrey. – Jean Marie Aug 30 '22 at 16:06