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Is $\mathbb{Z}[[x]]/(x-6) \cong \widehat{\mathbb{Z}}_2 \times \widehat{\mathbb{Z}}_3$?

It seems intuitive that $\mathbb{Z}[[x]]/(x-p)$ is the p-adic numbers, and I think this is not too hard to show formally. Really, it doesn't seem too hard to show this is true for any number p, not just primes. This gives a nice explicit description of $\mathbb{Z}[[x]]/(x-n)$, when combined with the well known (and hopefully well remembered) facts that $p^k$-adics is just a fancy name for p-adics, and that n-adics in general are the direct product of the p-adics for the distinct primes p dividing n.

Everything was fine and good until I tried to show this direct product decomposition directly in the ring $\mathbb{Z}[[x]]/(x-6)$. I want to use Chinese remainder theorem on the ideals $(x-2)$, $(x-3)$, and $(x-6)$. Clearly $(x-2)+(x-3) = (1)$, but I think it is also pretty clear that $(x-6) \neq (x-2) \cap (x-3)$.

Indeed, I don't think $x-6$ is even an element of $(x-2)$, since $$\frac{x-6}{x-2} = 3 + x + \tfrac12 x^2 + \ldots + \tfrac1{2^n} x^{n+1} + \ldots \notin \mathbb{Z}[[x]]$$

What has gone wrong?

Zev Chonoles
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Jack Schmidt
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  • I don't understand what you're doing. $\mathbb{Z}[[x]]/(x - 6)$ mod $(x - 2)$ can't be $\mathbb{Z}_2$ because $4 = 0$ in the quotient. The map $\mathbb{Z}[[x]]/(x - 6) \to \mathbb{Z}_6 \to \mathbb{Z}_2$ (where the second map is the projection) doesn't have $x - 2$ in its kernel; $x$ maps to $6 = 2 + 4$ like it ought to. – Qiaochu Yuan Jun 13 '11 at 20:09
  • Sorry about asking such a silly question, but what does $\widehat{\mathbb{Z}}_2$ denote? My first instinct is to read it as $\widehat{\mathbb{Z}}$ localized at the set ${1,2,4,\ldots}$, but I could also understand if it meant $\widehat{\mathbb{Z}}$ localized at the prime ideal $(2)$. Or is it a construction involving $\mathbb{Z}_2$? Since $\mathbb{Z}_2$ is already the completion of $\mathbb{Z}$ at $(2)$, I'm not sure what $\widehat{,,,,,\mathbb{Z}_2,,}$ would mean. – Zev Chonoles Jun 13 '11 at 20:10
  • I think you should be considering the homomorphisms $x\mapsto 2x$ and $x\mapsto 3x$ in $\mathbb{Z}[[x]]$. – George Lowther Jun 13 '11 at 20:11
  • Is $\mathbb{Z}[[x]]/(x-p)$ isomorphic to the $p$-adics? In the $p$-adics you have the "infinite expansions" $a_0 + a_1p + a_2p^2 + \cdots$, but we usually require $0\leq a_i\leq p-1$ (e.g., see Gouvea's p-adic numbers, Definition 1.2.1 (coherent sequence). – Arturo Magidin Jun 13 '11 at 20:12
  • @Arturo: I haven't seen them described that way (as $\mathbb{Z}[[x]]/(x-p))$ but, actually, it looks like it might work. – George Lowther Jun 13 '11 at 20:15
  • @Qiachu: Z[[x]]/(x-6) = Z[[6]] is hopefully intuitive (even if false). But Z[[6]] = Z[[2]] x Z[[3]] by CRT (applied to the terms of the inverse system). Define a map from Z[[x]] to Z[[2]] x Z[[3]]. It is surjective. The kernel is (x-2) ∩ (x-3) ≠ (x-6), the kernel of Z[[x]] to Z[[6]]. It doesn't make sense, so one of the steps is wrong. I think you've shown another reason there must be a wrong step, but I still don't see where things went wrong (or whether the answer to the top question is "yes" or "no"). – Jack Schmidt Jun 13 '11 at 20:16
  • @Zev: Zp-hat is the p-adics without ambiguity. Zp is either the p-adics or their residue field. – Jack Schmidt Jun 13 '11 at 20:16
  • @Jack: Ah, I see. Thanks for the clarification! – Zev Chonoles Jun 13 '11 at 20:18
  • @Arturo: If Z[[x]]/(x-p) is not the p-adics, then I am happy to call the question resolved. I think though it kind of works: you take Z[[x]] -> Z/p^nZ, with x goes to p, and so you get a map from Z[[x]] to Z[[p]], but the kernel is contained in the intersection of every power of (x), so is trivial. – Jack Schmidt Jun 13 '11 at 20:19
  • (And to be clear here, SOMETHING I have said is completely wrong. I just don't know what.) – Jack Schmidt Jun 13 '11 at 20:19
  • @Jack: there is no contradiction in your comment. You've defined two maps $\mathbb{Z}[[x]] \to \mathbb{Z}_2$ and there's no reason for their kernels to be identical. – Qiaochu Yuan Jun 13 '11 at 20:22
  • @Qiaochu: comment 6 is for you. Sorry for the typo, feel free to correct. – Jack Schmidt Jun 13 '11 at 20:23
  • @ Jack: as per my original comment you can define $\mathbb{Z}[[x]]/(x-ab)\to\mathbb{Z}[[x]]/(x-a)$ for coprime $a,b$ as long as you map $x$ to $bx$, and that should go through fine. – George Lowther Jun 13 '11 at 20:23
  • @Qiaochu: I worry though that it is the same map! They are both the obvious diagonal map, aren't they? – Jack Schmidt Jun 13 '11 at 20:24
  • @George: Ooooooo, now that might make a huge difference (and make me agree with Qiaochu's most recent comment). I've been using the wrong maps! – Jack Schmidt Jun 13 '11 at 20:24
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    @Jack: Yes, I think you're right on that. But now look at the constitutent maps. You go from $\mathbb{Z}[[x]]$ to $\mathbb{Z}/6^n\mathbb{Z}$ by moding out by $(x-6,x^n)$; then you go from $\mathbb{Z}/6^n\mathbb{Z}\to(\mathbb{Z}/2^n\mathbb{Z}) \times (\mathbb{Z}/3^n\mathbb{Z})$ in the obvious way, but what happens to $x$ under the compositions? If you are mapping $x$ to $6$ under the first, it cannot map to $2$ when you get to $\mathbb{Z}/2^n\mathbb{Z}$. So the kernel is not what you think it is. – Arturo Magidin Jun 13 '11 at 20:26
  • This is a special case of http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/16568/completion-of-a-noetherian-ring-r-at-a-1-ldots-a-n-is-isomorphic-to-rx-1/16679#16679 – Matt E Jun 14 '11 at 00:14
  • Related: https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/2631122/ – Watson Feb 18 '18 at 19:39

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The isomorphism of $\widehat{\mathbb{Z}_n}$ with $\mathbb{Z}[[x]]/(x-n)$ is realized by mapping $\mathbb{Z}[[x]]$ onto $\mathbb{Z}/n^k\mathbb{Z}$ by sending $1$ to $1$, $x$ to $n$, and $x^k$ to $0$, that is, as you note, the map with kernel $(x-n,x^k)$. These maps are consistent, so by the universal property of the inverse limit you get a map $$\mathbb{Z}[[x]] \to \lim_{\leftarrow}\mathbb{Z}/n^k\mathbb{Z} =\widehat{\mathbb{Z}_n}.$$ The map is onto, and the kernel is indeed $$\cap_{k=1}^{\infty}(x-n,x^k) = (x-n).$$

But when you consider the natural decomposition of $\widehat{\mathbb{Z}_6}$ into $\widehat{\mathbb{Z}_2}\times\widehat{\mathbb{Z}_3}$ by factoring out the cyclic groups along the inverse limit, you don't get the corresponding maps. That is, the maps $$\mathbb{Z}[[x]]\to\mathbb{Z}/2^k\mathbb{Z}\qquad\text{and}\qquad\mathbb{Z}[[x]]\to\mathbb{Z}/3^k\mathbb{Z}$$ that we just defined will naturally give you map into the product, which is isomorphic to $\mathbb{Z}/6^k\mathbb{Z}$; but the map you get via this composition is not the map we defined above into $\mathbb{Z}/6^k\mathbb{Z}$: note that $(a+2^k\mathbb{Z},b+3^k\mathbb{Z})$ maps to the unique residue class $m$ modulo $6^k$ such that $m\equiv a\pmod{2^k}$ and $m\equiv b\pmod{3^k}$. Since the image of $x$ under the product is $(2+2^k\mathbb{Z},3+3^k\mathbb{Z})$, this is not equal to $6+6^k\mathbb{Z}$ except in the case $k=1$; but for the isomorphism to work in the "intuitive way" that you are trying you would need $x$ to map to both $6+6^k\mathbb{Z}$ and to $(2+2^k\mathbb{Z},3+3^k\mathbb{Z})$.

So the problem is that the map you get by taking $\mathbb{Z}[[x]]/(x-6)$ is not the map induced by looking at $\mathbb{Z}[[x]]/(x-2)\times \mathbb{Z}[[x]]/(x-3)$.

Arturo Magidin
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It is true that, for $a,b$ coprime integers then $$ \mathbb{Z}[[x]]/(x-ab)\cong\left(\mathbb{Z}[[x]]/(x-a)\right)\times\left(\mathbb{Z}[[x]]/(x-b)\right) $$ which is what you would expect from $\mathbb{Z}_{ab}\cong\mathbb{Z}_a\times\mathbb{Z}_b$.

First, consider the homomorphism $$ \begin{align} &\theta_a\colon\mathbb{Z}[[x]]\to\mathbb{Z}[[x]],\\ &f\mapsto f(ax). \end{align} $$ As $(x-ab)\subseteq\theta^{-1}_a((x-b))$, this induces a homomorphism $\tilde\theta_a\colon\mathbb{Z}[[x]]/(x-ab)\to\mathbb{Z}[[x]]/(x-b)$. Defining $\theta_b,\tilde\theta_b$ similarly, you should be able to use the Chinese Remainder Theorem to check that $f\mapsto (\tilde\theta_b(f),\tilde\theta_a(f))$ gives the required isomorphism.

Alternatively, an element $c$ of $\mathbb{Z}_a$ can be written as $\sum_nc_na^n$ for $c_n\in\mathbb{Z}$. If $a,b$ are coprime then you can always take $c_n$ to be a multiple of $b^n$ (by the Chinese Remainder Theorem) so, in fact, $c$ can be written as $\sum_n (c_nb^n)a^n$. So, it is the image of $\sum_n c_n(ab)^n\in\mathbb{Z}_{ab}$ where the coefficient $c_n$ of $(ab)^n$ is multiplied by $b^n$. Hence why I considered the map $\theta_b$ taking $x^n$ to $b^nx^n$.

  • Thanks! I tried using your hint, but kept going in circles. This looks very nice to answer my question about more exactly what the maps are. Tomorrow I plan on calculating all the kernels exactly, since one should still have that (x-ab) is the intersection of the kernels of θa and θb (both of which are prime, and should have "degree" 1, dangit). The intersection of (x-a) and (x-b) is the principal ideal ((x-a)(x-b)), right? – Jack Schmidt Jun 13 '11 at 23:14
  • @Jack: For any $n\in\mathbb{Z}$ and $f\in\mathbb{Z}[[x]]$, you can write $f=(x-n)g+h$ where either $h=0$ or the leading coefficient of $h$ is not a multiple of $n$. Show that if $f$ is in the kernel of $\tilde\theta_a$ and $\tilde\theta_b$ then its leading coefficient is a multiple of $ab$. At least, that's what I did. – George Lowther Jun 14 '11 at 00:14
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I don't find the first statement as obvious as you do, but here is a proof. First, there is clearly a map $\mathbb{Z}[[x]] \to \mathbb{Z}_p$ which sends $x$ to $p$, and we take the unique continuous such map. The kernel consists of all power series $\sum a_i x^i$ such that $\sum a_i p^i = 0$ in $\mathbb{Z}_p$. Intuitively we want to write

$$\sum a_i x^i = (x - p) \left( \sum a_i \frac{x^i - p^i}{x - p} \right)$$

but the sum in brackets does not converge in $\mathbb{Z}[[x]]$. However, the coefficient of $x^n$, as an element of $\mathbb{Z}_p$, is

$$\sum_{i \ge n+1} a_i p^{i-n-1} = \frac{-a_0 - a_1 p - ... - a_n p^n}{p^{n+1}} \in \mathbb{Z}$$

so we can collect terms such that the resulting sum converges in $\mathbb{Z}[[x]]$. So the kernel is $(x - p)$ as desired.

Note that any map $\mathbb{Z}[[x]] \to \mathbb{Z}_p$ which sends $x$ to an element divisible by $p$ uniquely extends to a continuous map, and in your situation with $p = 2$, you set $x = 2$ to define one map and set $x = 6$ to define the other. There's no contradiction in the fact that the resulting maps don't have the same kernel.

So: yes, it is true that $\mathbb{Z}[[x]]/(x - 6) \cong \mathbb{Z}_6 \cong \mathbb{Z}_2 \times \mathbb{Z}_3$, and I don't know why you're taking the profinite completion of something which is its own profinite completion.

Qiaochu Yuan
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  • Jack mentions in the comments that he's using $\widehat{\mathbb{Z}}_2$ to denote $\mathbb{Z}_2$ to indicate that he doesn't mean $\mathbb{Z}/2\mathbb{Z}$. – Zev Chonoles Jun 13 '11 at 20:49
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I left this as a comment above, but it is at the end of a long thread, so I will also note it here: the isomorphisms being discussed here are a special case of the more general isomorphism discussed in this question, which states that for any Noetherian ring $R$, if $I = (a_1,\ldots,a_n)$ is an ideal, then $R[[x_1,\ldots,x_n]]/(x_1-a_1,\ldots,x_n-a_n) =$ the $I$-adic completion of $R$.

Matt E
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