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In Problem $3.14$, we prove (a) Hardy's inequality, (b) the condition for equality, and I shall talk about (c), (d) below. Problem $3.15$ is the discrete case of Hardy's inequality. I have asked three related questions in a single post itself, since all of them are related to Hardy's inequality, and none should be too involved.

There are some existing posts on MSE related to these topics, so I shall link them right away and point out that my question is not a duplicate: Post 1, Post 2, Post 3, Post 4.


For the sake of mentioning it, Hardy's inequality is: For $p\in (1,\infty)$, $f\in L^p((0,\infty))$ relative to the Lebesgue measure, and $$F(x) = \frac{1}{x}\int_0^x f(t)\ dt\quad (0 < x < \infty)$$ we have $$\|F\|_p \le \frac{p}{p-1} \|f\|_p$$


Question 1: This is Problem $3.14(c)$ in Rudin's book.

Prove that the constant $p/(p-1)$ cannot be replaced by a smaller one.

In one of the linked posts, there is some discussion on how this is the best constant, but I was unable to follow it. My sense is that it suffices to find a counterexample, i.e. for every constant $\beta$ smaller than $p/(p-1)$, we need a function $f_\beta\in L^p((0,\infty))$ which does not satisfy the required inequality. Why are we complicating things? If I'm thinking right, could someone help me find a counterexample?

Question 2: This appears as Problem $3.14(d)$ of Rudin's book. The author is trying to emphasize that the inequality is not for $p = 1$.

If $f > 0$ and $f\in L^1$, prove that $F\notin L^1$.

I found an example, $f(x) = e^{-x}$. Then $F(x) = \frac{1-e^{-x}}{x}$. $F$'s integral diverges, since the integral of $1/x$ diverges (use limit comparison test for integrals). However, as @David C. Ullrich pointed out, this is not enough.

Question 3: This is Problem $3.15$ in the same book and is the discrete case of Hardy's inequality.

Suppose $\{a_n\}$ is a sequence of positive numbers. Prove that $$\sum_{N=1}^\infty \left(\frac{1}{N} \sum_{n=1}^N a_n \right)^p \le \left(\frac{p}{p-1} \right)^p \sum_{n=1}^\infty a_n^p$$ if $1 < p < \infty$. If $a_n\ge a_{n+1}$, the result can be made to follow from Hardy's inequality. This special case implies the general one.

I took $f = \sum_{n=1}^\infty a_n \mathbf{1}_{[n,n+1]}$. Then $f\in L^p$ only if $\sum_{n=1}^\infty a^p_n < \infty$. If $f\notin L^p$, the inequality is trivial. So let's take $f\in L^p$. Now using Hardy's inequality, we have $\|F\|_p \le \frac{p}{p-1} \|f\|_p$. What is $F$? $$F(x) = \frac{1}{x}\int_0^x \sum_{n=1}^\infty a_n\mathbf{1}_{[n,n+1]}(t)\ dt = \frac{1}{x}\left(\sum_{n=1}^{\lfloor x\rfloor} a_n + (x - \lfloor x\rfloor)a_{\lfloor x\rfloor + 1} \right)$$ How do I proceed?


P.S. I have already solved Problems $3.14(a)$ and $3.14(b)$, i.e. proving Hardy's inequality and showing that equality holds iff $f = 0$ a.e.

  • Regarding your first question, your idea is reasonable, but not quite right. You need to show that given any constant less than $p/(p-1)$, there's a counterexample. –  Jun 17 '21 at 18:51
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    @Bungo That's what I wanted to write - somehow typed wrongly. I have corrected it now. $f_\beta$ depends on $\beta$. Thanks for pointing it out! – stoic-santiago Jun 17 '21 at 18:55
  • @OliverDiaz I had linked that post too. I am not familiar with Hardy transforms which you have used. Maybe I don't understand your solution well, but did you find $f_\beta$ for every $\beta < \frac{p}{p-1}$? – stoic-santiago Jun 17 '21 at 18:58
  • Regarding the second question, the tail of your proposed $F(x)$ looks like $1/x$ for large $x$, hence $\int_1^{\infty}|F(x)|\ dx = \infty$ Therefore irrespective of what happens on the interval $[0,1]$, we must have $\int_0^{\infty}|F(x)|\ dx = \infty$ as well. –  Jun 17 '21 at 19:00
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    Just a bypasser comment: This question has a great layout, other MSE users should learn from you! – Qi Zhu Jun 17 '21 at 19:01
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    @QiZhu Almost all my questions follow this layout/format - thank you! – stoic-santiago Jun 17 '21 at 19:02
  • @Bungo: not quite so (your first suggestion) it is enough to show that the bound $\frac{p}{p-1}$ is almost attained by functions in $L_p$ of norm $1$. For then, whenever $c<p/(p-1)$, then $c<|H(f)|_p \approx\frac{p}{p-1}$, where $Hf=\frac{1}{x}\int^x_0f$. – Mittens Jun 18 '21 at 04:57
  • @OliverDiaz Ah, you are correct, good observation. Thanks! I'll leave the earlier comment intact even at the risk of confusion, because the OP had responded to it and I don't want to create even more confusion! –  Jun 18 '21 at 05:00
  • For Q2 it's not enough to find one example; you're supposed to show that if $f$ is any strictly positive $L^1$ function then $F\notin L^1$. – David C. Ullrich Jun 23 '21 at 11:10
  • Oops, you're right! How would you do that? @DavidC.Ullrich – stoic-santiago Jun 23 '21 at 11:15
  • it's very simple; see answer – David C. Ullrich Jun 23 '21 at 11:21

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May details are left to you. The important part is that you review Post 4 where they show why $p/(p-1)$ is the best contact in Hardy's inequality. I give a brief explanation (but do not re do any of the constructions there) of why this is the case.


Question 1: The answers to the Post 4 (one of which follow the Hint of your textbook) gives the optimal bound in Hardy's inequality. To see this, notice that each solution there explicitly constructs a sequence of functions $\{f_n:n\in\mathbb{N}\}\subset L_p$, such that

  1. $\|f_n\|_p=1$,
  2. and $\lim_n\|Hf_n\|_p=\frac{p}{p-1}$.

If the bound $p/(p-1)$ were not optimal, and say $\|Hf\|_p\leq c\|f\|_p$ for all $f\in L_p$, for some constant $c<\frac{p}{p-1}$, then for any of the sequences built in the aforementioned posting, you would have that $$c\|f_n\|=c\geq \|Hf_n\|_p\xrightarrow{n\rightarrow\infty}\frac{p}{p-1}$$ which is a contradiction to $c<p/(p-1)$.


Question 3: suppose $\{a_n:n\in\mathbb{N}\}$ is a monotone non increasing sequence of positive numbers such that $\sum_na^p_n<\infty$, and define $f$ as $$ f(x):=\sum^\infty_{n=1}a_n\mathbb{1}_{(n-1,n]}(x)$$ and consider the Hardy transform $Hf$ of $f$, i.e., $Hf(x):=\frac1x\int^x_0f(t)\,dt$ Then $$Hf(x)=\left\{ \begin{matrix} a_1 &\text{if}&0<x\leq1\\ \tfrac{a_1+\ldots + a_n+(x-n)a_{n+1}}{x} & \text{if} &1\leq n<x\leq n+1 \end{matrix} \right. $$ The assumption on $a_n$ implies that for $1\leq n<x\leq n+1$ $$\begin{align} \frac{a_1+\ldots + a_n+(x-n)a_{n+1}}{x}&=\frac{(a_1-a_{n+1})+\ldots +(a_n-a_{n+1})}{x}+a_{n+1}\\ &\geq \frac{a_1+\ldots+ a_n-na_{n+1}}{n+1} +a_{n+1}=\frac{a_1+\ldots + a_{n+1}}{n+1} \end{align}$$ Hence $$\begin{align} \int^\infty_0(Hf)^p&=\sum^\infty_{n=0}\int^{n+1}_n(Hf)^p\\ &\geq\sum^\infty_{n=0}\Big(\frac1{n+1}\sum^{n+1}_{k=1}a_k\Big)^p =\sum^\infty_{n=1}\Big(\frac1{n}\sum^{n}_{k=1}a_k\Big)^p \end{align}$$ Provided you have proved Hardy's inequality for $L_p((0,\infty),\mathscr{B}((0,\infty),\lambda)$, where $\lambda$ is Lebesgue's measure, then The conclusion of Question 2 follows for the special case $0\leq a_{n+1}\leq a_n$ for all $n\in\mathbb{N}$.

See if you can get the general case ($a_n\geq0$ and $\sum^\infty_{n=1}a^p_n<\infty$) from this (consider for example finite segments of $a_n$, that is $b^{(m)}_n=a_n\mathbb{1}_{(0,m]}(n)$ and apply the result to a "reordering" of $b^{(m)}$).


Question 2: As David C. Ulrich mentioned in his comment and answer, the problem asks to show that $Hf\notin L_1(0,\infty)$ for all $f\in L_1(0,\infty)$ with $f>0$. Here is a proof using Fubini's theorem. Since $g(t, x)=\frac{1}{x}f(t)\mathbb{1}_{(0,x]}(t)\geq0\,$ and measurable in $(0,\infty)\times(0,\infty)$, one can iterate integrals to get \begin{align} \int^\infty_0\int^x_0\frac{1}{x}f(t)\,dt\,dx&=\int^\infty_0\int^\infty_t\frac{1}{x}f(t)\,dx\,dt=\int^\infty_0f(t)\int^\infty_t\frac{1}{x}\,dx\,dt=\infty \end{align} A simpler proof is given by David C. Ulrich here

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  • @OliverDiaz Thanks! I understand Q1 and Q2. Your answer on Post 4 explains it well. Working on the last one now. – stoic-santiago Jun 23 '21 at 16:34
  • @epsilon-emperor: have you completed your study of question 3? – Mittens Jun 24 '21 at 22:52
  • To elaborate, here's what I'm trying to do: $$\sum_{N=1}^\infty \left(\frac{1}{N} \sum_{n=1}^N b_n \right)^p \le \sum_{N=1}^\infty \left(\frac{1}{N} \sum_{n=1}^N a_n \right)^p \le \left(\frac{p}{p-1} \right)^{p} \sum_{n=1}^\infty a_n^p = \left(\frac{p}{p-1} \right)^{p} \sum_{n=1}^\infty b_n^p$$ where ${b_n}$ is a sequence of positive numbers, and ${a_n}$ is the reordering of ${b_n}$ such that $a_n \ge a_{n+1}$ for all $n$. – stoic-santiago Jun 26 '21 at 07:51
  • The above (first) inequality should intuitively hold since ${a_n}$ is decreasing and we are summing up "larger terms" "more times", but it doesn't seem easy to put this down formally. I think the intuition is clear to me though, please confirm. Thanks! – stoic-santiago Jun 26 '21 at 11:07
  • I think our $a_n$'s and $b_n$'s are swapped. – stoic-santiago Jun 27 '21 at 08:58
  • @epsilon-emperor: Notice that I am not reordering the whole sequence $a$, but only the first $m$-terms (the reminder terms I set to $0$). Borrowing notation from Statistics, let $a^(m)1\geq a^{(m)}_2\geq\ldots\geq a^{(m)}_m\geq0$ be the decreasing reordering of the first $m$-terms of $a$, and set $a^{(m)}_k=0$ for $k>m$. Apply Hardy's inequality to this sequence and notice that $\frac{1}{k}\sum^k{j=1}a_j\leq\frac{1}{k}\sum^k_{j=1}a^{(m)}_j$ for all $1\leq k\leq m$ (*to be continued*) – Mittens Jun 27 '21 at 14:49
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    @epsilon-emperor:...Then, for any $m$, we get $$\begin{align} \sum^m_{k=1}\Big(\frac{1}{k}\sum^k_{j=1}a_j\Big)^p&\leq\sum^m_{k=1}\Big(\frac{1}{k}\sum^k_{j=1}a^{(m)}j\Big)^p\leq\sum^\infty{k=1}\Big(\frac{1}{k}\sum^k_{j=1}a^{(m)}j\Big)^p\ &\leq\big(\frac{p}{p-1}\big)^p\sum^\infty{k=1}(a^{(m)}j)^p=\big(\frac{p}{p-1}\big)^p\sum^m{k=1}(a^{(m)}j)^p=\big(\frac{p}{p-1}\big)^p\sum^m{k=1}a^p_j \end{align}$$ – Mittens Jun 27 '21 at 14:58
  • Yes, perfect, that's exactly my reasoning too. Thank you! – stoic-santiago Jun 27 '21 at 16:00
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People seem to be misinterpreting Q2. It says

If $f > 0$ and $f\in L^1$, prove that $F\notin L^1$.

You can't do that by giving an example. Luckily it's trivial:

Since $f>0$ some elementary measure theory(see below) shows that there exists a bounded set $E$ with $m(E)>0$ and a $\delta>0$ so $f\ge\delta$ on $E$. Hence if $x>\sup E$ we have $$F(x)=\frac1x\int_0^x f \ge\frac1x\int_E\delta=\frac{\delta m(E)}{x},$$so $F\notin L^1$.

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(edit) If $f(x)>0$ there exists $n\in\Bbb N$ with $f(x)>1/n$; hence $$(0,\infty)=\bigcup_{n=1}^\infty I_n,$$ where $$I_n=\{x:f(x)>1/n\}.$$So countable additivity shows there exists $n_0$ with $$m(I_{n_0})>0.$$ Again, $$I_{n_0}=\bigcup_{k=1}^\infty(I_{n_0}\cap(0,k)),$$so we can let $E=I_{n_0}\cap(0,k)$ for a suitable $k$; any choice of $k$ gives a bounded set on which $f>\delta>0$, and if $k$ is large enough then $m(E)>0$.

  • I don't think that's right. Haven't thought about it much, since a direct proof is very simple (see edit coming soon), but there are problems with exactly what you mean by "$f<\delta$ on $E$". The negation of the lemma has just "there exists $x\in E$ with $f(x)<\delta$", but it seems to me that in the rest of the argument you're assuming $f(x)<\delta$ for all $x\in E$. – David C. Ullrich Jun 23 '21 at 21:48
  • All you really need is $f\ge 0$ and $m(f>0)>0$. In this case there is a $\delta>0$ and a bounded measurable set $E$ with $m(E)>0$ and $E\subset{f\ge\delta}$, in which case $F(x)\ge \delta m(E)/x$ for all $x>\sup E$. – John Dawkins Jun 28 '21 at 16:09
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Here another approach to question 1, finding simple counter-examples.

Given $a>p$, let's define this function : $$f_a(x)=x^{-1/a}\times\chi_{(0,1]}(x)$$ where $\chi_{(0,1]}(x)=1$ if $x\in(0,1]$ and $0$ otherwise.

Then $$(\lVert f_a\rVert_p)^p=\int_0^1x^{-p/a}dx=\dfrac{a}{a-p} $$ Let's compute $F_a$.

if $x\ge 1$ : $$\begin{equation}\begin{aligned} F_a(x)&=\dfrac{1}{x}\int_0^xt^{-1/a}dt\\\\ &=\dfrac{a}{a-1}x^{-1/a} \end{aligned}\end{equation}$$

if $x>1$ : $$\begin{equation}\begin{aligned} F_a(x)&=\dfrac{1}{x}\int_0^1t^{-1/a}dt\\\\ &=\dfrac{a}{a-1}x^{-1} \end{aligned}\end{equation}$$

Thus

$$\begin{equation}\begin{aligned} (\lVert F_a\lVert_p)^p&=\left(\dfrac{a}{a-1}\right)^p \left(\int_0^1x^{-p/a}dx+\int_1^{+\infty}x^{-p}dx\right)\\\\ &=\left(\dfrac{a}{a-1}\right)^p\left(\dfrac{a}{a-p}+\dfrac{1}{p-1}\right)\\\\ =&\left(\dfrac{a}{a-1}\right)^p\left(\dfrac{p(a-1)}{(a-p)(p-1)}\right) \end{aligned}\end{equation}$$

And now we can compute $$\begin{equation}\begin{aligned} \left(\dfrac{\lVert F_a\rVert_p}{\lVert f_a\rVert_p}\right)^p&= \left(\dfrac{a}{a-1}\right)^p\left(\dfrac{p(a-1)}{(a-p)(p-1)}\right)\times\dfrac{a-p}{a}\\\\ &=\left(\dfrac{a}{a-1}\right)^{p-1}\times \dfrac{p}{p-1} \end{aligned}\end{equation}$$

The function $\varphi : x\mapsto \dfrac{x}{x-1}$ is decreasing. Thus the last equality allows, as $a>p$ : $$ \dfrac{\lVert F_a\rVert_p}{\lVert f_a\rVert_p}\ge \dfrac{a}{a-1} $$

For any $\varepsilon>0$, as $\varphi$ is continuous, there exists $a>p$ such as $$ \dfrac{a}{a-1}>\dfrac{p}{p-1}-\varepsilon $$

So finally, for any $\varepsilon>0$, there exists a $f_a$ function so that $\lVert F_a\rVert_p>\left(\dfrac{p}{p-1}-\varepsilon\right)\lVert f_a\rVert_p$

Thus $\dfrac{p}{p-1}$ is the smallest constant.

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