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I am studying for my finals, and I came across a question I don't really understand.

We have a finite group $G$ with two generators: $a$ ($a^3=E$) and $b$ ($b^2=E$), where $E$ is the identity. We are also given the relation $(ab)^2=E$. Now the question asks to show that $G$ has $6$ elements that can be represented as $$E, a, a^2, ab, a^2b, b$$

I am not sure how I can deduce the number of elements in my group from my generators?

Thanks!

Shaun
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    I'd suggest you read about dihedral groups – J. W. Tanner May 23 '21 at 14:25
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    You can expect a method for some particular families of finitely presented groups, but no general algorithm can exist. Oh! If we know it is finite, the we can use Todd–Coxeter algorithm – plop May 23 '21 at 14:28
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    You cannot deduce the number of elements of a group given only the generators. For example, your group is generated by 2 elements, as is $\mathbb Z \oplus \mathbb Z$. But with extra information given, such as the relators you gave in the body of your post, sometimes one can deduce the number of elements... but there is no general method of deduction as said by @plop. – Lee Mosher May 23 '21 at 14:33
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    For this particular problem: first note that $S_3$ is generated by a $3-$cycle and a $2-$cycle satisfying the given relations, so we know that $|G|>6$ For the rest, you must argue that any word in $a,b$ can be reduced to one of the given forms. How would you reduce $ba$ or $ba^2$ for instance? – lulu May 23 '21 at 14:38
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    Related questions: https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/4119179/dihedral-group-presentation, https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1019593/how-to-show-that-this-group-presentation-is-isomorphic-to-dihedral-group, https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/3206327/group-presentations-and-the-dihedral-group, https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1780803/the-presentation-of-the-dihedral-group-d-2n – Lee Mosher May 23 '21 at 14:38
  • @lulu: I suppose you meant $\lvert G\rvert \color{red}\ge6$ in your comment – J. W. Tanner May 23 '21 at 14:50
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    @J.W.Tanner Yep. One of those days. – lulu May 23 '21 at 14:51
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    From the information given, it is possible that $a=b=E$ and the group has only one element. – Derek Holt May 23 '21 at 14:54
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    Has the question possibly changed in the telling? The result is true of the orders of $a$ and $b$ are $2$ and $3$ (which implies the stated "$a^2=E,b^3=E$" condition. – user1729 May 23 '21 at 18:44

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Just observe that $$E, a,a^2, ab, a^2b, b$$ are indeed distinct elements. First observe we must have $a,b\neq E$ or $G$ would be the trivial group, so at least we have $3$ distinct elements. If it was $a^2=a$ then $a^3=a^2=a$ but since $a^3=E$ then it follows $a=E$, which we already said isn't true. If $a^2=b$ then $a^4=b^2=E$ but on the other hand $a^4=a\cdot a^3=a$ which turns again into $a=E$. Hence $E, a, a^2, b$ must be all distinct. We are left with $ab$ and $a^2b$ but on this point is clear how to proceed, $ab$ can't be any of $E, a, b$ as we already said $a$ and $b$ are distinct and also $a,b\neq E$. If it was $ab=a^2$ then $E=(ab)^2=a^4=a$ hence again against our assumptions. We are left with $a^2b$, which by the same reasoning like before can't be any of $E, a^2, b$. If it was $a^2b=a$, then $a^2=a^2b^2=ab$ which can't hold as $a\neq b$. Finally $a^2b\neq ab$ as otherwise $a^2=a$. Hence $E, a,a^2, ab, a^2b, b$ are distinct.

Now we need to understand what are $ba$ and $ba^2$.

Notice $abab=E$, then $bab=a^2$ and thus $ba=a^2b$. For $ba^2$, we have that $(ba^2)^{-1}=ab$, but we know the inverse is unique and $(ab)^{-1}=ab$, so $ba^2=ab$.

Let $x\in G$. Since $a$ and $b$ are generators, then $x$ can be written as an arbitrary (finite) product of $a$ and $b$, which means $x$ can be written as: $$x=aabaababaaaabababababababb^na^2b$$ and so on, which can in turn be broke down by associativity to these $4$ cases: $$1) x=a^{n}b^m\qquad 2)x=a^n\qquad 3)x=b^m\qquad 4)x=(ab)^n$$ Take $2)$ for instance, you know that $a^{3}=E$ thus you only need to consider what $n$ is congruent to module $3$. Say $n\equiv 2$ mod $3$, then $x=a^n=a^2$. The same reasoning holds for case $3)$, where now you care about module $2$ as $b^2=E$. Case $1)$ is done by using both $2)$ and $3)$, while it is fairly obvious now how to deal with the last case.

Hence you get only $6$ distinct elements, and your group is actually (up to iso) the diedral group of order $6$.

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    Well you need some argument to suggest that you can't have $aba^2ba^2babababa^2$ or something like that. I think one round of induction has to appear. Also, I do not believe it is obvious that those $6$ elements are distinct. The existence of $S_3$ suffices, but you need something. – lulu May 23 '21 at 14:48
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    How do you know that $E,a,a^2,ab,a^2b,b$ are distinct elements? You cannot deduce that from the information given. – Derek Holt May 23 '21 at 14:52
  • @lulu you are right, I should take care of the case where such long words appear, which is actually farily clear. As for to show the $6$ elements are indeded distinct, I should be more thorough. – Davide Trono May 23 '21 at 15:09
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    In fact from the information given you cannot conclude that these elements are distinct: it is possible that they are all equal to the identity. Everybody appears to be making the additional assumption that all relations that hold in the group can be deduced from the three given relations. – Derek Holt May 23 '21 at 17:07
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Here is a two-step approach. At first we derive some identities from the reduction rules which enable us to simplify representation of elements. Then we build a $6\times 6$ multiplication table from \begin{align*} A:=\{E,a,b,a^2,ab,a^2b\}\subset G\tag{1} \end{align*} and check if each row and each column contains all elements from $A$, from which we can conclude that \begin{align*}\ \color{blue}{A=G} \end{align*}

Reduction rules:

We know that $\{E,a,b,a^{-1},b^{-1}\}\subseteq G$, since $G$ is a group containing the neutral element $E$ and with each element $g\in G$ the inverse $g^{-1}\in G$, whereby we have to keep in mind, that not always two elements are necessarily pairwise distinct.

At least we take for granted according to the problem statement that $E,a$ and $b$ are pairwise different.

From $a^3=E$ we obtain by multiplication with $a^{-1}$ and similarly from $b^2=E$ we obtain by multiplication with $b^{-1}$ \begin{align*} a^2&=a^2E=a^2\left(a a^{-1}\right)=a^3 a^{-1}=Ea^{-1}=a^{-1}\tag{2.1}\\ b&=bE=b\left(bb^{-1}\right)=b^2b^{-1}=Eb^{-1}=b^{-1}\tag{2.2} \end{align*} From $(ab)^2=E$ we obtain by multiplication with $a^{-1}$ from the left and by multiplication with $b^{-1}$ from the right \begin{align*} a^{-1}=a^{-1}E=a^{-1}(ab)^2=\left(a^{-1}a\right)bab=bab\tag{2.3}\\ b^{-1}=Eb^{-1}=(ab)^2b^{-1}=\left(aba\right)\left(bb^{-1}\right)=aba\tag{2.4} \end{align*} Combining (2.1) to (2.4) we obtain

\begin{align*} a^2&=a^{-1}=bab\tag{3.1}\\ b&=b^{-1}=aba\tag{3.2} \end{align*}

A Pause and a recheck: Looking again at (1) we observe the set $A$ shows some asymmetries.

  • We find $a^2$ in $A$ but not $b^2$. No problem. We know from (3.1) and (3.2) that $a^2=a^{-1}$ and we also know that $b^2=E\in A$ and $b=b^{-1}\in A$.

  • We find $a^2b$ but not $ab^2$. No problem, since $ab^2=aE=a\in G$.

  • We find $ab$, but not $ba$. This should be clarified. We obtain from (3.1) and (3.2) \begin{align*} ba&=baE=bab^2=(bab)b=a^2b\in G\\ \end{align*} and we are now ready to build up the multiplication table.

Multiplication table:

We obtain \begin{align*} \begin{array}{c|cccccc} \cdot &E&a&b&a^2&ab&a^2b\\ \hline E&E&a&b&a^2&ab&a^2b\\ a&a&a^2&ab&E&a^2b&b\\ b&b&a^2b&E&ab&a^2&a\\ a^2&a^2&E&a^2b&a&b&ab\\ ab&ab&b&a&a^2b&E&a^2\\ a^2b&a^2b&ab&a^2&b&a&E \end{array} \end{align*}

Since each row and each column contains the elements from $A$ we conclude \begin{align*} \color{blue}{A=G} \end{align*}

Markus Scheuer
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    You are still not addressing the question of how you deduce that these six elements are all distinct. There is nothing in the statement of the problem that rules out the possibility that $a=b=E$. – Derek Holt May 23 '21 at 21:02
  • @DerekHolt: I think this can be taken for granted when considering the problem statement. I've added a corresponding statement. – Markus Scheuer May 23 '21 at 21:13
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    I am afraid I cannot see any reason at all to take this for granted. Exam questions in particular need to be very precise, and I have seen some questions deliberately obscure the orders of generators. – Derek Holt May 24 '21 at 09:31
  • @DerekHolt: It's a matter of appropriate context. Whenever I read a mathematical statement: "We have a finite group with two generators $a$ and $b$" then we do not seriously consider that $a=b$, cause then we would clearly expect to read about a finite group with one generator. Similarly, explicitly stating $a^3=E$ and $b^2=E$, we can safely exclude $a=E$ or $b=E$ or $a^2=E$. I think with respect to this stated problem, it is sufficient to explicitly state that we ignore such an implausible assumption. Just to indicate that we are aware of it. – Markus Scheuer May 24 '21 at 12:47
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    I certainly don't agree that being told that $a^3 = E$ might imply that $a \ne E$. Why should it? I can see that saying that $a$ and $b$ are two generators might linguistically suggest that they are distinct, but I have always understood that that does not apply to formal mathematical usage. If I say let $a$ and $b$ be two integers, then I don't want that to imply that $a \ne b$. – Derek Holt May 24 '21 at 19:17
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The other two answer assume that $a$ has order $3$ (written $o(a)=3$) and $b$ has order $2$ (so $o(b)=2$). However, there is no reason a priori why this should be true: if $a^3=E$ then either $o(a)=3$ or $o(a)=1$. This means that the question does not describe a single group, but rather a family of groups. (Possibly the question has been altered slightly in the re-telling.)

We shall prove that the question as-stated describes three groups:

  1. If $o(a)=3$ and $o(b)=2$ then $G$ has order $6$, and is in fact the dihedral group of order $6$ (equivalently, $S_3$).
  2. If $o(a)=1$ and $o(b)=2$ then $G$ is cyclic of order two.
  3. If $o(a)=1$ and $o(b)=1$ then $G$ is the trivial group.

There is a fourth possibility for the orders of the generators:

  1. $o(a)=3$ and $o(b)=1$.

However, we will prove that this is not possible.

Lets begin by proving that orders of generators are important: note that the relator $(ab)^2=E$ allows you to write every word over $a$ and $b$ in the form $a^ib^j$ for $i\in \{0, 1, 2\}$ and $b\in\{0, 1\}$. Now, suppose some element of this form is actually trivial, so $a^ib^j=E$. Then $a^i=b^{-j}$, and so $o(a^i)=o(b^j)$, and so either $i=0=j$, or $a=E$, or $b=E$, or $a=E=b$ (why?).

This means that we can focus on orders of generators, and we have the four possibilities mentioned above. So lets consider each case and prove that they give the claimed groups, or (in the case of possibility (4)) are not possible.

Now, possibility (1) is covered by the other answers. Possibility (2) is easy to check, as $o(a)=1$ implies $a=E$, and then the relations $a^3=E^3=E$ and $b^2=E$ clearly hold, while $(ab)^2=E$ as $(ab)^2=(Eb)^2=b^2=E$. Similarly, possibility (3) is easy to check. Therefore, we need to prove that possibility (4) is not possible. To see this, suppose $o(b)=1$, so $b=E$, and note the following: \begin{align*} (ab)^2&=E\\ (aE)^2&=E\\ a^2&=E \end{align*} Combining this with $a^3=E$ gives $$E=E\cdot E=a^{-2}a^3=a$$ and so $a=E$, so $o(a)=1$. Therefore, if $o(b)=1$ then $o(a)=1$, and so possibility (4) is impossible. QED


Here's a quick conceptual explanation of what's going on: There is a "maximal", with respect to homomorphic images, group generated by $a, b$ and where the relations $a^2=E, b^3=E, (ab)^2=E$ hold. The other answers are investigating this group, which just so happens to be the group $S_3$. There is a specific notation for describing groups in this way, called presentations, and so $S_3$ has presentation $\langle a, b\mid a^2, b^3, (ab)^2\rangle$.

Adding extra relations, like $a=E$ or $b=E$ or $a^ib^j=E$, corresponds to homomorphic images (not necessarily proper homomorphic images, like if we had considered the "new" relation $a^6=E$). So my answer may be interpreted as saying "the group $S_3$ has precisely three homomorphic images: itself, the cyclic group of order two, and the trivial group".

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  • Note, the problem requests to show that the stated conditions lead to a group with six elements, i.e. $|G|=6$ with $G={E, a, a^2, ab, a^2b, b}$. Your answer indicates that your interpretation is somewhat different from the expected one. – Markus Scheuer May 26 '21 at 13:25
  • @MarkusScheuer The question is self-contradictory, and does not make sense. My answer combines with the other two to give a complete picture of the possibilities. – user1729 May 26 '21 at 13:51