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Note - I am not versed in logic notation or whatever the particular notation is for this kind of thing. Sorry in advance.

Edit - This is to address the argument about taking the statement as a whole rather than in parts. If you take the statement as a whole, then there is actually three hypothetical possibilities. The statement is true which creates a paradox, the statement is false which creates a paradox, or that the statement is undefined with regards to the truth value. Undefined only means that the function value could not be evaluated. So, in order to prove that this is a paradox then you have to prove that the truth value of the given statement is definitively true or false. If you can't do that then the truth value is undefined which doesn't create a paradox. And I have no idea how to go about evaluating a statement whose only information relies on that very statements truth value. If you have answer not based on hypotheticals than I'd love to hear it.

The version of the liar's paradox that I am using is "this sentence is false". Supposedly this statement is a paradox because they say if the statement is true then it is false and it is false if it is true. However, this is an absolute statement and is the same way that x = 1. Moreover, it is an absolute statement with an assigned value. Think of it like this, x = 1 is just assigning a value to x so will always equal 1 so long as the value of x is assigned to one. So, if we turn this statement into a mathematical equation we assign the variable "this sentence" = x, give the numerical value of true = 0 and false = 1 this sentence mathematically becomes x = 1. In the same way "this sentence" has been assigned the truth value of false. The core of this paradox seems to be the assumption that we can evaluate the given statement in the same way that we can evaluate a conditional truth statement like "apples can be red. The last sentence is false." However, "this sentence is false" has no conditions that we can evaluate it as true or false by comparing it to known truths and falsehoods. Because the truth variable of this statement is independent of reality or conditions and is an absolute assigned value it cannot be evaluated. The truth value of the sentence has been assigned as false and therefore cannot be changed by an outside valuation of true or false assuming that we are viewing true and false as absolute mutually exclusive values. True and false without any conditions, conditional statements or context just become arbitrary mutually exclusive values.

On the more common variant of the liars paradox "this sentence is a lie" if a lie is defined as something that is false or lie = something false then in the context of the previous statement the new statement becomes "this sentence is false".

You may as well just simplify it to just "false" because "this sentence" really doesn't add anything in the context of the statement besides an extra dependent truth variable which is is equal to the assigned truth value. Also, false is treated as a negative condition where as false = -1 and true = 1 and a falsehood is false is treat as -1*-1=1 however, this makes no sense. A false falsehood has always been true so its values have never been negative in the first place. If something is true or false (treating true or false as absolutes whose probabilities add up to 1) then it only has ever been one or the other.

I'm probably missing something and you're more than welcome to correct me.

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    Why can't the truthfulness or not of the statement "this sentence is false" be questioned? What's stopping me from asking "is "this sentence is false" true or false"? Also, $x=1$ is not the same thing because $x=1$ simply means "from now on, I use $x$ as an alternative name for $1$", I'm not making a judgment or anything. In "this sentence is false" I am making a judgment, that "this sentence is false" is false, and it can be question, thus leading to a paradox – Alessandro Apr 17 '21 at 16:58
  • Just to clarify, are you saying that because "This statement is false" doesn't pertain to anything in the physical world, it doesn't get a true or false value? I don't mean to be reductive; I'm just trying to understand your argument. – Theo Bendit Apr 17 '21 at 17:00
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    It seems to me that, treating "this sentence" as a variable to which an arbitrary value (like "false" or 1) can be assigned, you're ignoring the ordinary English meaning of "this sentence. That meaning is the sentence under discussion, namely "This sentence is false", not some arbitrary assigned value. Of course, this paradox (or any paradox) can be made to disappear by ignoring or changing the meaning of the words or phrases that are used in it, and it seems to me that you're just doing that. – Andreas Blass Apr 17 '21 at 17:36
  • Also, ""this sentence" really doesn't add anything in the context of the statement besides an extra dependent truth variable" is false. The part "this sentence" is really the core of the paradox, like "I'm" in the phrase "I'm lying", because if $a$ is "this sentence is false", then by making the sentence referring to itself, it makes so that $a$ is its own negation, that is, $$a=a\mbox{ is false}=\neg a$$ – Alessandro Apr 17 '21 at 17:52
  • Because If you take the statement as a whole then there is nothing to evaluate. Here try to actually evaluate the actual truth value of the given statement. I don't mean to do the thought experiment of if this statement is false or if this statement is true. No I mean tell me either this statement is false or this statement is true. It is the actual evaluation of the statement that forms the paradox. However, if you can't give a definitive truth value of a statement and all you have are hypothetic truth values than you can't evaluate it and can't form the paradox. – Rex.zip Apr 17 '21 at 18:07
  • But the statement itself is a valuation of the truth of the statement. By simply stating the paradox you're giving it a truth value by saying "this statement is false", which triggers the paradox, because then the statement is true, so is false, so is true, and so on. So a logical system allowing such statement to exist, is one where false=true and the statement does indeed have a definite truth value in such system (false, which is the same as true). – Alessandro Apr 17 '21 at 18:19
  • in order to prove that this is a paradox then you have to prove that the truth value of the given statement is definitively true or false.

    The paradox is exactly the proof that the sentence cannot be assign to "true" or "false" truth value...

    – ℋolo Apr 17 '21 at 19:06

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Let's compare two English sentences, each talking only about themselves:

  • $F$: "This sentence is false."
  • $T$: "This sentence is true."

Neither statement can have a unique truth value out of the usual two determined for it. But while insufficient information for evaluation may be a point of similarity, there's a crucial difference. We can assign either value to $T$ without paradox, but can assign neither to $F$ without paradox. So being unable to uniquely determine the truth value doesn't get to the heart of this paradox.

We cannot simply avoid $F$'s paradox by saying its truth value "can't be evaluated", because this doesn't change the unfortunate fact that $F$ can't be true without also being false and vice versa, and therefore we can't maintain the popular position that all propositions are exactly one of these, unless $F$ doesn't really state a proposition.

Does it state one? Maybe it only looks like it does. But if so, what makes it illegal? Simply banning self-reference has two obvious drawbacks:

  • "This document contains instructions on..." doesn't in general raise our eyebrows.
  • One can get the same kind of paradox from $n\ge2$ sentences in a circle, e.g. with each statement claiming the next one is true, except for the last one claiming the first is false. So one might have to ban sentences talking about each other's truth-values altogether, which would cost us even more dearly.

Nonetheless, one can use an idea like this in formal mathematical languages, in which statements can only apply a truth predicate to others lower in a hierarchy. But that's just one way to address the paradox. You may feel your ideas are similar to some others on the same page.

J.G.
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  • For a seemingly non-circular paradox, one can modify your second example to get the Yablo paradox: Make an infinite list of statements, each of which asserts that every statement after it is false. That’s not circular on the face of it, but nevertheless there’s no way to assign truth values to it. (Whether it’s truly non-circular has been debated.) – Semiclassical Apr 17 '21 at 19:12
  • @Semiclassical Ooh, that's a nice one, dating to 1985. – J.G. Apr 17 '21 at 19:44
  • I guess the whole reason that I have such a problem with this is that these paradoxes only exist because true and false are only ever defined as the opposites of each other in these statements. "This statement is true" and "this statement is false" are functionally identical. If a single part of each statement defined what was true or false as anything other than another truth value then the towers of trues and false would collapse back into a statement that could be evaluated as true or false. – Rex.zip Apr 17 '21 at 20:00
  • @Rex.zip So you think what makes $F$ special is that it only specifies its own truth value? Or maybe you're making a subtly different point. Either way, the issue isn't that you're "wrong"; it's that fleshing out your position into something general that addresses this family of paradoxes requires a lot of work (whose consequences have been hotly debated), so it's not obvious that the LP fails to be a paradox purely on such grounds as you advance. – J.G. Apr 17 '21 at 20:06
  • @Semiclassical: Yablo's 'paradox' is just as bad (i.e. ill-defined) as the liar 'paradox'. Read this for a brief explanation of why these are ill-defined. For a more advanced analysis, see here. Note that both posts I mention Quine's paradox, which is the only truly non-circular paradox. – user21820 Sep 19 '21 at 09:07
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Suppose you have a list of sentences each of which are classed as either true, false or somehow indeterminate (a logical trichotomy). Suppose sentence L in the list is in the True category if and only if it is in the False category (like "This sentence is false"). Using ordinary logic, we can infer by contradiction that L cannot be in either the True category or in the False category, but must be in the third, Somehow Indeterminate category.