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I saw this question earlier today about the $p$-adic numbers generally and am trying to figure out how to visualize them or construct an algebraic entity with the right structure.


There's a straightforward way to build the real numbers out of formal power series in $\mathbb{Z}[[x]]$. Is there a way to do a similar thing for the $p$-adic numbers?

The intuition is that we are considering generalizations of infinite decimals $123456.123123\cdots$, but we only have a single decimal place to the left of the decimal point, and we allow any integer to appear in any decimal place.

I'm defining a notion of normal form to capture the fact that some-but-not-all formal power series converge when evaluated at $\frac{1}{10}$, without circularly assuming that those sums converge to a real number. The normal form for a given real isn't unique, $1.3$ and $1.299999\cdots$ are the same number. Note that in the example below $a_0$ is unconstrained.

$$ \sum_{i=0}^{\infty} a_ix^i \;\; \text{is in normal form} \;\; \textit{if and only if} \;\; \text{$0 \le a_i \le 9$ for all $i \ge 1$} $$

Let's define a relation $R$ as follows

$$ \left(\left(\sum a_i x^i \right), \left(\sum b_i x^i\right) \right) \in R \\ \textit{if and only if} \\ \text{there exists a $k$ such that $10a_k + a_{k+1} = 10b_k + b_{k+1}$} \\ \text{and all indices besides $k$ and $k+1$ are the same. } $$

Let $\simeq$ be the transitive, reflexive, symmetric closure of $R$.

If we consider only the formal power series in $\mathbb{Z}[[X]]$ that are equivalent to a power series in normal form, and then take equivalence classes mod $\simeq$, then we have a field isomorphic to the real numbers $\mathbb{R}$.

We can also define orderings on this structure.

$$ \sum a_i x^i \;\; \text{is non-negative} \;\; \textit{if} \;\; \text{$\sum a_i x^i$ is in normal form and $a_0 \ge 0$} $$

$$ \sum a_i x^i \;\; \text{is non-negative} \;\; \textit{if and only if} \;\; \text{$\sum a_i x^i$ is equivalent to a non-negative series in normal form} $$

And then the definition of $\sum a_i x^i \le \sum b_i x ^i$.

$$ \sum a_i x^i \le \sum b_i x ^i \;\; \textit{if and only if} \;\; \sum (b_i-a_i)x^i \;\; \text{is non-negative} $$


Is there a way to do something similar for the $p$-adic numbers?

Greg Nisbet
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    It is true that $\mathbb Z_p\cong\mathbb Z[[x]]/(x-p).$ Is this along the lines of what you want? – Derive Foiler Feb 01 '21 at 05:21
  • @DeriveFoiler, yes, thanks, that's quite helpful. How you define $\le$ on that representation? – Greg Nisbet Feb 01 '21 at 05:26
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    I am unsure what definition of $\mathbb Z_p$ you are working with. https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/2925251/introduction-to-p-adic-numbers might be a good place to start. I'll expand my remarks into an answer. – Derive Foiler Feb 01 '21 at 05:34
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    @GregoryNisbet I don't think that the $p$-adics have an ordering relation at all. At least not like one that follows the usual rules of $\le$ of real numbers. For example, to any prime $p$ there exists an integer $n>0$ such that $u=\sqrt{-n}$ is a $p$-adic integer. This leads to the usual contradiction: If $u\ge0$ then $-n=u^2\ge0$ also. If $u\le0$ then still $-n=u^2\ge0$. For example, $\sqrt{-1}\in\Bbb{Z}_p$ whenever $p\equiv1\pmod4$. – Jyrki Lahtonen Feb 01 '21 at 06:26
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    More precisely $\sqrt{1-4p}$ is an element of $\Bbb{Z}_p$ for every prime $p$. If we assume $p>2$, then we can more simply say that $\sqrt{1-p}\in\Bbb{Z}_p$. See this older answer of mine for an example run of the process. I am calculating the $5$-adic $\sqrt{-1}$ there. – Jyrki Lahtonen Feb 01 '21 at 06:42
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    A possibly easier way to realize that ordering in the $p$-adic domain is "pointless" is to take a look at the presentation of negative integers. In $\Bbb{Z}2$ we have $$-1=1+2+4+8+16+32+\cdots.$$ Just add $+1$ to the right hand side, and watch the carries propagate through the whole lot. Or use the sum formula for a geometric series: $$\sum{n=0}^\infty 2^n=\dfrac1{1-2}=-1.$$ – Jyrki Lahtonen Feb 01 '21 at 06:48

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"Decimal expansion" happens to be the/a correct way to view $p$-adics, and power series in particular are a good way in. Intuitively, one can think about $\mathbb Z_p$ as series which look like $$\sum_{k=0}^\infty a_kp^k,$$ where $a_k\in[0,p)\cap\mathbb Z.$ The $a_k,$ then, are more or less digits in base-$p.$ This should look familiar: if you put $p=\frac1{10}$ into these series, you will recover $\mathbb R.$

However, the caveat here is that we have allowed this to be an infinite series when it certainly does not converge in any meaningful way in $\mathbb R.$ This is not a problem: we don't live in $\mathbb R$ anymore because we live in $\mathbb Z_p,$ and convergence is different in this universe.

Let's be a bit more formal. As suggested, let's take two power series $a(x),b(x)\in\mathbb Z[[x]]$ and ask when they should give the same element of $\mathbb Z_p.$ For concreteness, we'll write $$a(x)=\sum_{k=0}^\infty a_kx^k,\qquad b(x)=\sum_{k=0}^\infty b_kx^k.$$ To test equality, what we want to do is test$\pmod{p^N}$ for increasingly large $N.$ That is, if $$\sum_{k=0}^\infty a_kp^k\equiv\sum_{k=0}^\infty b_kp^k\pmod{p^N}$$ as $N\to\infty,$ then we'll have the corresponding elements of $\mathbb Z_p$ be equal. However, these series are only defined formally, so how should we check$\pmod{p^N}$? Well, there's no reason to check elements past $k\ge N$ because they don't add any modular information. So we might as well check if $$\sum_{k=0}^Na_kp^k\equiv\sum_{k=0}^Nb_kp^k\pmod{p^N}$$ as $N\to\infty.$ Now that we have finite sums, this notion of equality potentially makes more sense and can be made rigorous.

Anyways, the point is that, yes, we can think about $\mathbb Z_p$ as power series in $p.$ This can even be made rigorous, for $\mathbb Z_p\cong\mathbb Z[[x]]/(x-p).$

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    I gave a proof of that isomorphism in my answer to the question https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/3949581/the-ways-completion-of-p-adic-integers by showing evaluation at $p$ is a surjective ring homomorphism $\mathbf Z[[x]] \to \mathbf Z_p$ with kernel $(x-p)$. It is also a homeomorphism if we put the $x$-adic topology on $\mathbf Z[[x]]$ and give $\mathbf Z[[x]]/(x-p)$ the quotient topology. – KCd Feb 01 '21 at 07:44