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I have two questions, say we have a function $y=f(x)$

$Q1.$ $x$ is the independent variable here, then how is $dx$=$Δx$?

Here, $dx$ is an infinitesimal while $\Delta x$ is just the finite change in x values, then how can infinitesimal change $=$ finite change. Shouldn't $dx=\lim_{\Delta x\rightarrow 0}{\Delta x}$ ?

$Q2.$ What is the difference between $dy$ and $Δy$?

If we look at $dy$ and $Δy$.

$dy = \lim_{\Delta x\rightarrow 0}{f(x+\Delta x) - f(x))}$

$Δy$ = ${f(x+\Delta x) - f(x)}$

So $dy$ is the limiting case of $\Delta y$, Am I right about this?

I was totally confused by this thing that even after seeing several explanations about this, I still can't wrap my head around it.

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    Where did you find the statement of "Q1"? –  Jul 31 '20 at 17:24
  • Usually, $\mathrm dx$ is infinitesimally small difference, $\Delta x$ is relatively bigger change in two different values. That's only considered in errors though – UmbQbify Jul 31 '20 at 17:27
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    People who tell you things like $dx = \Delta x$ or $dx = \lim_{\Delta x \to 0}\Delta x$ are lying to you because they don't feel like telling you things in more detail. Because $\lim_{\Delta x \to 0}\Delta x = 0$, which means all they're saying is that $dx = 0$, which is clearly not what they intend to say. Also, if $f$ is a continuous function, then $\lim_{\Delta x\to 0}\bigg(f(x+\Delta x) - f(x)\bigg) = 0$. So once again, according to your "definitions" (which are wrong) it follows that $dy=dx = 0$. – peek-a-boo Jul 31 '20 at 17:29
  • @peek-a-boo then if $dx$ $≠$ $\lim_ {\Delta x \rightarrow 0}{\Delta x}$, then what is it? Could you please explain a bit or give some references, where I can read about it. – Yashasav Prajapati Aug 01 '20 at 04:59
  • @Shamim Several of the explanations I saw online, pointed out that $dx$ = $\lim_{\Delta x \rightarrow 0}{\Delta x}$. – Yashasav Prajapati Aug 01 '20 at 05:03
  • Things written as $d(\text{function})$ usually refer to linear approximations of that function (differential calculus is all about local linear approximations). It is not some "infinitesimal change" or whatever. I wrote an answer a while back, but it deals with the 2-dimensional, and $n$-dimensional case, so maybe it's a little abstract for you right now (so if you wish you can restrict everything I mention there directly to the case $n=1$). Take a look at it and see if it is understandable – peek-a-boo Aug 01 '20 at 05:24
  • @YashasvPrajapati yeah, that's what I meant and thus asked you which site posted such statements. –  Aug 01 '20 at 07:01
  • @Shamim Link 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ooWs_8hzxQ Link 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qqNe_hfoz8 – Yashasav Prajapati Aug 01 '20 at 14:19
  • I don't see where he actually said $dx=\Delta x$ –  Aug 01 '20 at 15:37

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The notation “$\mathrm{d}x$” has a number of different meanings in different contexts, and it can be hard to keep track of them. And in the context of using a derivative to approximate the value of a function, many presentations intentionally conflate two different meanings because it makes it easier to write out the math. I'll try to clear things up by explaining distinguishing the two usages.

Review of concepts and standard notation:

Suppose we have a differentiable function $f\left(x\right)$ and we think about the curve/graph given by $y=f\left(x\right)$. Then at any particular input $a$, we write $f'\left(a\right)$ to mean the slope of a tangent line to graph of $f$ at $x=a$. Using “$\Delta x$” as a variable, we have $f'\left(a\right)={\displaystyle \lim_{\Delta x\to0}\frac{f\left(a+\Delta x\right)-f\left(a\right)}{\Delta x}}$. It's common to abbreviate something like $f\left(a+\Delta x\right)-f\left(a\right)$ as $\Delta y$ (though we must remember that it depends on both of the numbers $a$ and $\Delta x$).

With this abbreviation, we have $f'\left(a\right)={\displaystyle \lim_{\Delta x\to0}\frac{\Delta y}{\Delta x}}$. Another notation for derivatives can be used to remind us of this: $f'\left(a\right)=\left.\dfrac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x}\right|_{x=a}$. Note that this is just notation: “$\mathrm{d}y$” isn't a number here or anything.

Linear Approximation:

Anyway, because $f'\left(a\right)={\displaystyle \lim_{\Delta x\to0}\frac{f\left(a+\Delta x\right)-f\left(a\right)}{\Delta x}}$, we have a useful approximation:

$f'\left(a\right)\approx{\displaystyle \frac{f\left(a+\Delta x\right)-f\left(a\right)}{\Delta x}\text{ when }\Delta x}$ is small”. When we know $a,f\left(a\right),f'\left(a\right)$, and a small number $\Delta x$, we might rewrite this in other forms, like: “$\Delta y\approx f'\left(a\right)\Delta x$” or “$\dfrac{\Delta y}{\Delta x}\approx\left.\dfrac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x}\right|_{x=a}$”, etc.

Discarding $a$:

If we want to imagine all the slopes of tangent lines at once, or just want to emphasize that $a$ is an $x$-coordinate of interest, we might sometimes use the variable “$x$” in place of “$a$” in all of this, with one notational change. So we'd have $f'\left(x\right)={\displaystyle \lim_{\Delta x\to0}\frac{f\left(x+\Delta x\right)-f\left(x\right)}{\Delta x}=\lim_{\Delta x\to0}\frac{\Delta y}{\Delta x}}$, $\Delta y=f\left(x+\Delta x\right)-f\left(x\right)$, etc. But instead of writing something like “$\left.\dfrac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x}\right|_{x=x}$”, it's conventional to just write “$\dfrac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x}$”. Then we can write nice-looking things like “$\dfrac{\Delta y}{\Delta x}\approx\dfrac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x}$” and “$\Delta y\approx\dfrac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x}\Delta x$”.

A nonstandard notation:

In the above discussion, we had $\Delta y\approx\dfrac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x}\Delta x$. Here, $\Delta x$ is a change in inputs, $\Delta y$ is a change in outputs, and $\dfrac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x}$ is the limit of a ratio of changes as the change in inputs gets small. But we don't have a symbol for the approximate change in outputs: $\dfrac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x}\Delta x$.

I don't think I've seen the following notation used anywhere, but by analogy with capital Delta in $\Delta y$, I'm going to define $\delta y$ to be this quantity $\dfrac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x}\Delta x$ (which depends on both $x$ and $\Delta x$). Then we have $\Delta y\approx\delta y$, so that ${\displaystyle \frac{\Delta y}{\Delta x}\approx\frac{\delta y}{\Delta x}=}\dfrac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x}$. This still looks a little inelegant, so to make it look nicer, let's just define $\delta x$ to be $\Delta x$. If you want, you could think of $\delta y$ and $\delta x$ as approximations of $\Delta y$ and $\Delta x$; it just so happens that $\delta x$ approximates $\Delta x$ with no error. Then we have the really pretty $\boxed{{\displaystyle \frac{\Delta y}{\Delta x}\approx\frac{\delta y}{\delta x}=\frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x}}}$.

The confusing bit:

Now, here's the issue/confusing part. Even though in the discussion above $\mathrm{d}y$ wasn't a number (just a part of the derivative notation) and $\delta y$ was a number (the approximate change in $y$ coming from the derivative), ${\displaystyle \frac{\delta y}{\delta x}=\frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x}}$ looks really nice.

It looks so nice that, in this sort of approximation context, it's relatively common to use “$\mathrm{d}y$” for the number I have called “$\delta y$”. And then to use “$\mathrm{d}x$” for the number I called “$\delta x$”, which is just $\Delta x$. Since the ratio of these numbers equals the derivative, this doesn't mess up any of the algebra you would like to do with the derivative/these approximations. This is a little weird because, in other contexts, the notation “$\dfrac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x}$” is meant to suggest a limit as $\Delta x$ gets arbitrarily small, not just “small enough so the derivative gives us a good approximation”.

For examples, this $\mathrm{d}y$ as $\delta y$ and $\mathrm{d}x$ as $\delta x$ notation is used in videos like the ones mentioned in a comment by the OP Yashasv Prajapati: blackpenredpen's “delta y vs. dy (differential)” and The Math Sorcerer's “How to Compute Delta y and the Differential dy”. For the record, things written like “$\mathrm{d}y$” are called "differentials" whether they're used to represent numbers or other things.

Punchline:

To spell out the source of the confusion in the question: When blackpenredpen writes “${\displaystyle \lim_{\Delta x\to0}}\dfrac{\Delta y}{\Delta x}=\dfrac{dy}{dx}$”, it's true with the right side as the derivative, but nonsense (or, at best, confusing) with the $dx$ on the right side as representing $\delta x=\Delta x$. But since ${\displaystyle \frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x}=\frac{\delta y}{\delta x}}$, it never hurts his calculations to write $\delta x$ as $\mathrm{d}x$, etc.

An aside about other notation:

Not every treatment of these sorts of approximations uses this confusing convention. Note that the tangent line at $x=a$ is given by the equation $y=f\left(a\right)+f'\left(a\right)\left(x-a\right)$. This makes the tangent line the graph of the function $L\left(x\right)=f\left(a\right)+f'\left(a\right)\left(x-a\right)$. If we set $\Delta x=x-a$, we have $f\left(x\right)=f\left(a+\Delta x\right)\approx f\left(a\right)+f'\left(a\right)\Delta x=L\left(x\right)$.

For example, the essentially the same material about approximations is written this way at Paul's Online Notes about linear approximation.

Mark S.
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