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I have been delving into ZFC set theory on my own for some time, and I am now learning about the possible definitions of $\mathbb N$ in this theory. I am lead to believe (and inclined to agree) that Von Neumann's definition is attractive in many regards. It states that $\mathbb N$ is the "intersection of all inductive sets", where an inductive set is one whose existence is postulated by the axiom of infinity.

I quickly managed to convince myself that this is indeed a set permited by ZFC. Indeed, the axiom of infinity declares the existance of at least one inductive set that we can call $I$. One can then show that the following set $$ \lbrace x\in I\ |\ \forall J\ [j\in J\Rightarrow\mathcal{S}(j)\in J])\Rightarrow x\in J\rbrace $$ which is permited by the axioms of ZFC, contains exactly the elements which are members of all inductive sets. It is therefore the set defined by Von Neumann.

I am also aware that if one defines each natural number individually in an inductive fashion, like so:

  • $0=\emptyset$
  • $\forall n\quad n+1 = S(n) = n\cup\lbrace n\rbrace = \lbrace 0,1,\cdots,n\rbrace$

then all of these sets are in $\mathbb N$ since, by Von Neumann's definition, one can show that $\mathbb N$ is inductive.

Here is my question: How does one prove that the converse is true ? i.e. that $\mathbb N$ only contains $0$ and its successors.


My research so far: I have searched the math stack exchange for an answer.

  1. The accepted answer of this question says that

    The fact that we take the smallest possible inductive set is what corresponds to the idea that the set only contains zero and its successors, i.e. the only things that we need to be there in order to have an inductive set.

    While it helps me get an intuition of why it would be true, I'm not quite satisfied and would like to have a proof.

  2. Again, the answer to this question says that

    The set ($\mathbb N$) contains exactly $\emptyset$ and its successors

    but does not explain why.

  3. In the comments of this other question, someone sugests to first prove that $\lbrace n\in\mathbb N\mid n\subseteq\mathbb N\rbrace$ is inductive, which implies that $\lbrace n\in\mathbb N\mid n\subseteq\mathbb N\rbrace = \mathbb N$, i.e. every natural number is itself a set of natural numbers.

    I have done so, and I feel like it got me closer to what I'm looking for, but from there I still don't know how to show that any element of $\mathbb N$ is some successor of $0$.


Update: From studying the problem further I managed to prove (hopefully without errors) a few results. For the sake of brevity I've omitted the proofs, and I write $\mathbb N^*$ for $\forall x\in\mathbb N\setminus\lbrace 0\rbrace$.

  1. $\forall x\forall y\ S(x)=S(y)\Rightarrow x=y$

Given a set $x$, the set $\lbrace k\in\mathbb N|S(k)=x\rbrace$ is a set allowed under the axioms of ZFC. Let then $P(x)=\cup\lbrace k\in\mathbb N|S(k)=x\rbrace$. If there is no $k\in\mathbb N$ whose successor is $x$, then $P(x)=\emptyset$ ; if there is such a $k$, then according to 0. it's the only one and thus, $P(x)=k$ and $S(P(x))=x$.

  1. $\forall x\quad P(x)\in\mathbb N$
  2. $\forall n\in\mathbb N \quad \neg(\exists k\in\mathbb N\ S(k)=n) \Rightarrow n=0$
  3. $\forall x\in\mathbb N^* \quad S(P(x))=x$
    and
    $\forall y\in\mathbb N\quad P(S(x))=x$
  4. $\forall m\in\mathbb N^* \quad \forall n\in\mathbb N\quad (m=S(n)\Leftrightarrow P(m)=n)$

But still cannot find a way to prove that $\mathbb N$ is exactly "$0$ and its successors".
I've tried to define things like "Given a set $a$:

  • $S_\emptyset(a)=a$
  • $S_x(a)=S(S_{P(x)}(a))$ where $x$ is a set."

and then go from there. But here for instance, to say that $S_x(a)$ is a valid set, one must justify that $S(S_{P(x)}(a))$ is one too, and so justify that $S(S(S_{P(P(x))}(a)))$ is one too, and so forth... which I don't think is doable. "$S_{S(x)}(a)=S(S_x(a))$" has the same issue.

I wanted to show that $\lbrace v\in\mathbb N|\exists n\in\mathbb N\quad v=S_n(0)\rbrace=\mathbb N$

Thomas.M
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    The question is, what does "its successors" mean? You have an intuitive idea of what this means, but how do you propose to make it mathematically precise? It is impossible to prove the statement until you have made it precise. – Eric Wofsey Jul 05 '20 at 04:00
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    In fact, no one has ever found a better way to make this precise than the "intersection of all inductive sets" idea. This is discussed in more detail in the first answer you referred to at https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/3268301/how-to-construct-natural-numbers-by-set-theory and its comments. – Eric Wofsey Jul 05 '20 at 04:05
  • Indeed, I was thinking that the problem may lie in the fact that I'd first need to come up with a formula that states that some set is a successor of another. I don't know if this is possible though... – Thomas.M Jul 05 '20 at 04:25
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    Would the following be helpful? Prove that $\forall n\in\mathbb{N}, n=0\vee \exists m\in\mathbb{N}, n=m+$, by showing that otherwise $\mathbb{N}\setminus{n}$ is inductive. – Chrystomath Jul 05 '20 at 06:14
  • @Chrystomath Looks like we thought alike. I had just finished proving exactly that when I saw your comment. I'm also pretty confident that, for any $n\in\mathbb N\setminus\lbrace 0\rbrace$, I managed to define a set $pred(n)$ such that $\forall n\in\mathbb N\forall m\in\mathbb N\setminus\lbrace 0\rbrace\ (m=S(n)\Leftrightarrow pred(m)=n)$. i.e. well defining the predecessor of any non-zero element of $\mathbb N$. I'll add it to my question soon enough. – Thomas.M Jul 05 '20 at 06:50
  • I'm gonna need to think a lot more about this. I'm gonna put what I've found as an edit to my original post in the meantime. – Thomas.M Jul 05 '20 at 08:53
  • If you can show that "$\emptyset$ and its successors" is sufficient to define a set, and that this set is inductive, then it is one of the inductive sets in the intersection defining $\Bbb N$. Therefore $\Bbb N$ must be a subset of it and cannot contain other elements. – Paul Sinclair Jul 05 '20 at 15:00
  • @PaulSinclair That is precisely what I was aiming at doing, but the big catch is that I have to formaly define what "its successors" mean. Like Eric Wofsey said in the first comment, I have an intuitive notion of it, but that doesn't mean I can formalise it. I was thinking of recursively defining the "n-th successor" operation for a given n, but like i said in the update to my post, there are some problems with that. – Thomas.M Jul 05 '20 at 19:51
  • @PaulSinclair In fact, if I can define the set of "$\emptyset$ and its successors", I can prove that it is, in fact, precisely $\mathbb N$. – Thomas.M Jul 05 '20 at 20:00

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Okay ! After some time and a lot of efforts, I managed to find an answer that I find satisfying.

The big problem I had was that I had no way yet to rigorously write a formula that said "$n$ is a successor of $m$" for any natural numbers $n$ and $m$. I tried to recursively define what it meant to be the "$n$-th successor of $0$" (where we define $0$ to be $\emptyset$), and I was on the right track, but I ran into trouble because I hadn't proven beforehand that I was allowed to define things recursively.
To prove that, there are a quite a few steps I had to take so, for the sake of brevity, I will only provide an outline of the proofs ; if anyone sees this with the same question I had and wants the details, just ask.

  1. The Theorem of Induction states that $$ \forall A\ (0\in A\ \wedge\ \forall k\in\Bbb N\ (k\in A\Rightarrow\mathcal S(k)\in A))\Rightarrow\Bbb N\subseteq A $$ It can be proven by showing that $A\cap\Bbb N$ is inductive so $\Bbb N\subseteq A\cap\Bbb N$ and, since $A\cap\Bbb N\subseteq A$, we conclude that $\Bbb N\subseteq A$.

  2. To make my life simpler, I then proved that, given a property $P$ $$ [P(0)\,\wedge\,(\,\forall x\ P(x)\Rightarrow P(\mathcal S(n))\,)]\Rightarrow\forall n\in\Bbb N\quad P(n) $$ It follows directly from 1. Just let $A=\{n\in\Bbb N\mid P(n)\}$ and apply 1. to it.

  3. From there we prove this bad boy, the Recursion Theorem, which says that $$ \forall X\quad X\neq\emptyset\Rightarrow[\ \forall a\in X\ \forall f:X\rightarrow X\ \exists!F:\Bbb N\rightarrow X\quad \underbrace {F(0)=a\ \wedge\ \forall n\in\Bbb N\enspace F(\mathcal S(n))=f(F(n))}_{\text {(a)}}\ ] $$ i.e. For all non-empty $X$, $a\in X$ and $f:X\rightarrow X$, there is a unique function $F:\Bbb N\rightarrow X$ such that $\text {(a)}$.

The proof is a long and tedious one which relies on proving that a specific subset of $\Bbb N$ is inductive and, therefore, equal to $\Bbb N$. It gets messy real quick and I got lost multiple time doing it, so I'll redirect you to this book (Naive Set theory, by Paul R. Halmos) on pages 48-49, which is where I got it from.

  1. Finally, armed with 3. we can safely define things recursively. We apply the recursion theorem with $X=\Bbb N$, an $a\in X$ whose value we don't specify, and $f=\mathcal S$ the successor function. There exists a unique function that satisfies $\text {(a)}$ and, since it depends on $a$ what that function is, lets call it $F_a$. (It also depends on $X$ and $f$, but we fixed their values. Only $a$ is unspecified.) $F_a$ is defined on all of $\Bbb N$.
    Let's rewrite the property $\text {(a)}$: $$ F_a(0)=a\ \wedge\ \forall n\in\Bbb N\enspace F_a(\mathcal S(n))=\mathcal S(F_a(n)) $$ I hope that you'll agree that, for any $n\in\Bbb N$, $F_a(n)$ is the result of applying $\mathcal S$ to $a$ $n$ times over, i.e. the "$n$-th successor of $a$".

  2. Let's now, at last, prove by induction that $$ \forall n\in\Bbb N\quad F_0(n)=n $$ i.e. Any natural number $n$ is, in fact, the $n$-th successor of $0$.

Base case: $F_0(0)=0$
Induction step: For a given $n\in\Bbb N$, suppose that $F_0(n)=n$. $$ F_0(\mathcal S(n))=\mathcal S(F_0(n))\\ \phantom {F_0(\mathcal S(n))}=\mathcal S(n)\phantom {F_0()} $$

We then conclude that $\Bbb N=\{F_0(n)\mid n\in\Bbb N\}$, i.e. that $\Bbb N$ is the set of $0$ and its successors. And finally, it is done. Sure hope I didn't mess up !


Afterthought: This whole demonstration makes copious use of $\Bbb N$'s definition, it's properties, and results that are deduced from its existence. Therefore, for it to hold, one must first define $\Bbb N$ as the smalest inductive set, and then show that it's the set of $0$ and its successors. I don't see any way that one could go the other way around, as in how $\Bbb N$ could be defined, from the get-go, to be the set of $0$ and its successors.

Thomas.M
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  • Regarding the afterthought, yes, as mentioned in the comments, this is inevitable... you need a definition of “finitely” in order to talk about applying the operation finitely many times. And because of the compactness theorem, the definition from the metatheory can’t be “imported”. – spaceisdarkgreen Jul 07 '20 at 15:07
  • Yes, now that you say it that is what the comments meant about "needing a definition of finitely". I don't know about the compactness theorem yet, and the whole metatheory stuff goes way over my head for now, but I will look into it someday. – Thomas.M Jul 07 '20 at 18:20
  • Rather, I didn't make the connection to what the previous comments were saying when I wrote the afterthought – Thomas.M Jul 07 '20 at 18:26