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Let $R$ be a commutative unital ring, $I$ a set, and $R^{(I)}$ the free module on $I$.

  1. Can there be a submodule $R^{(J)}\cong M\leq R^{(I)}$ with $|J|\!>\!|I|$?

  2. Can $R^{(I)}$ be generated (as a $R$-module) by a subset $J$ with $|J|\!<\!|I|$?

Slightly related: does there exist an embedding of $R$-algebras $R[x_1,x_2,\ldots]\longrightarrow R[x,y]$?

I know that there exist an embedding of free groups $\langle x_1,x_2,\ldots|\emptyset\rangle \longrightarrow \langle x,y\|\emptyset\rangle$ and an embedding of free algebras $R\langle x_1,x_2,\ldots\rangle\longrightarrow R\langle x,y\rangle$, namely $x_n\longmapsto x^ny$.

Leo
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For $R=0$ the answer is yes in each case. So assume $R \neq 0$ in the following.

1) No, see MO/136. It has also appeared several times on this site (math.SE/106786, math.SE/132729, math.SE/310166).

2) No, tensor with $R/\mathfrak{m}$ for some maximal ideal $\mathfrak{m}$ and then use Linear algebra.

3) No if $R$ is an integral domain. Because this would yield an embedding $K(x_1,x_2,\dotsc) \to K(x,y)$ of extension fields of $K$, the field of fractions of $R$, which contradicts the transcendence degree. I am not sure what happens with general $R$. I hope that someone else can explain the general case.

Here is a small observation: If there is an embedding of $R$-algebras $R[x_1,x_2,\dotsc] \to R[x,y]$, then there is a countable subring $S \subseteq R$ and an embedding $S$-algebras $S[x_1,x_2,\dotsc] \to S[x,y]$. Namely, let $S$ be the subring generated by the coefficients of the image of $x_i$, where $i \in \mathbb{N}$. Thus, we may restrict our attention to countable rings.

  • Do your answers also cover the case where $I$ and $J$ are arbitrarily large sets? 2) Ok, if $J$ is the generating set of the $R$-module $R^{(I)}$, then $J\otimes_RR/\mathfrak{m}$ is the generating set of the $R/\mathfrak{m}$-module $R^{(I)}\otimes_RR/\mathfrak{m} \cong (R\otimes_RR/\mathfrak{m})^{(I)} \cong (R/\mathfrak{m})^{(I)}=:(\ast)$, hence $J\otimes_R{1}$ is a generating set of $(\ast)$, but $(\ast)$ has dimension $|I|$, hence $|I|\leq|J\otimes_R{1}|=|J|$. Correct? 3) Could you please elaborate, I've forgotten most of what I knew from field theory.
  • – Leo Mar 12 '13 at 20:00
  • Yes. 2) Yes, $J \otimes 1$ not $J \otimes R/\mathfrak{m}$. 3) Please consult any text on transcendence bases. If, after that, there are still problems, I can help.
  • – Martin Brandenburg Mar 12 '13 at 20:11
  • Ok, will do, thank you. After I get through, I may have additional questions, so I'll accept your answer in the following weeks. Just one more question: the rank of an $R$-module $M$ is defined as $rk,M:=\sup{|B|;, B!\subseteq!M\text{ is }R\text{-linearly independent}}$. If $R$ is a domain, then $rk,M=\dim_{Q(R)}M\otimes_RQ(R)$, where $Q(R)$ is the field of fractions. When $R$ is not a domain, is $$rk,M=\sup_{\mathfrak{p}\in Spec R}\dim_{Q(R/\mathfrak{p})}M \otimes_RQ(R/\mathfrak{p})?$$ What about $\sup_{\mathfrak{m}\in Max R}\dim_{R/\mathfrak{m}}M \otimes_RR/\mathfrak{m}$? – Leo Mar 12 '13 at 21:10
  • No. But this question can be asked separatedly. In that case, spend some time before and google "rank of a module" etc. – Martin Brandenburg Mar 13 '13 at 00:28
  • I did google it before, but I only found odd (seemingly inequivalent) definitions (via skew fields) or unrelated ones (rank of free modules), etc. I asked as a comment because I just wondered if it's true. I don't really need the result at this point, hence I don't want to waste too much of people's time solving problems I just wondered about. I asked the question hoping that you've seen this somewhere before; it wasn't meant as problem solving. Also, I don't know where in the literature this rank can be found. Anyway, thank you! – Leo Mar 13 '13 at 01:02
  • Do you mind asking your question about the polynomial algebras (still unsolved for general rings) in a separate thread? Then, hopefully, it will become more attention. – Martin Brandenburg Mar 16 '13 at 01:36
  • No problem, will do. – Leo Mar 16 '13 at 05:04