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Let $\psi(\vec{r})$ be a scalar field, show that:

$$\nabla^2 \psi(\vec{r})=\lim_{\rho \to 0} \frac{3}{\pi \rho^2} \int_\Omega \psi(\vec{r}')-\psi(\vec{r})d\Omega'$$

where $\rho=|\vec{r}-\vec{r'}|$, $\Omega$ is a sphere of radius $\rho$ with it's center at $\vec{r}$ (and $d\Omega'$ symbolises the solid angle)

what I have tried it a Taylor expansion of $\psi(\vec{r}')$ around $\vec{r}$ that is: $$\psi(\vec{r}')=\psi(\vec{r})+\nabla\psi(\vec{r})\cdot (\vec{r}-\vec{r}')+..$$

which gives me (because the limith should kill all the higher terms in the expansion, I think..) $$\nabla^2 \psi(\vec{r})=\lim_{\rho \to 0} \frac{3}{\pi \rho^2} \int_\Omega \nabla\psi(\vec{r})\cdot\vec{\rho} d\Omega'$$

now I know that divergence is defined as $$\nabla \cdot \vec{F}=\lim_{\rho \to 0} \frac{1}{4\pi \rho^2} \int_\Omega \vec{F}\cdot \vec{dA}$$

so I get:

$$\lim_{\rho \to 0} \frac{1}{4\pi \rho^2} \int_\Omega\nabla\psi(\vec{r})\cdot \vec{dA}=\lim_{\rho \to 0} \frac{3}{\pi \rho^2} \int_\Omega \nabla\psi(\vec{r})\cdot\vec{\rho} d\Omega'$$

I just don't know how to show that these two limits are the same. can someone help (if what I have done so far is correct of course)

El Ruño
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  • All sorts of confusing things here. Are you talking about a sphere in 3-D? From the mention of solid angle, I deduce that you are. But your formula for divergence is wrong. The factor should be the reciprocal of the volume of the ball; so the factor should be $\dfrac3{4\pi\rho^3}$. Now let me try to sort out the rest ... – Ted Shifrin Jan 04 '19 at 22:51
  • You're right that the higher order terms go away in the limit. However, the correct factor in the original formula should be $\dfrac 3{4\pi\rho^2}$. As I said, you have a $\dfrac 3{4\pi\rho^3}$; this gets multiplied by a factor of $1/\rho$ because the unit normal is $(\vec r-\vec r')/\rho$. But then the solid angle takes care of a factor of $1/\rho^2$, since $dA/\rho^2 = d\Omega'$. – Ted Shifrin Jan 04 '19 at 23:06

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Firstly, there are several similar posts regarding that kind of problem: for example, this, this and this.

Secondly, there are some mistakes in your reasoning I think. Here is what stuff is.

Let us begin from calculating the following expression: $$ I := \iint\limits_{S^{2}(\vec{r}, \rho)}\big(\psi(\vec{r}') - \psi(\vec{r})\big)\mathrm{d}\Omega,\label{eq:star}\tag{*} $$ where $S^{2}(\vec{r}, \rho)$ denotes 2D-sphere with radius $\rho$ centered at $\vec{r}$, $\Omega$ - solid angle (and not a surface element so it doesn't include $\rho$).

Let us expand $\psi(\vec{r}')$ around $\vec{r}$: $$ \psi(\vec{r}') = \psi(\vec{r}) + (\vec{r}' - \vec{r})\cdot\nabla\psi\big|_{\vec{r}} + \frac12\big((\vec{r}' - \vec{r})\cdot\nabla\big|_{\vec{r}}\big)^2\psi + o(\rho^2)\label{eq:expand}\tag{1} $$ NOTE: that in this formula, for example, vector $\nabla\psi$ is taken at the point $\vec{r}$ and is constant vector - it doesn't depend on $\vec{r}'$. Substitution of \eqref{eq:expand} into \eqref{eq:star} gives $$ \iint\limits_{S^{2}(\vec{r}, \rho)}\big((\vec{r}' - \vec{r})\cdot\nabla\psi\big|_{\vec{r}} + \frac12\big((\vec{r}' - \vec{r})\cdot\nabla\big|_{\vec{r}}\big)^2\psi + o(\rho^2)\big)\mathrm{d}\Omega $$ The first term disappears because of its antisymmetry along point $\vec{r}$. Let's investigate the second term. It could be shown (not a hard exercise) that $$ \big((\vec{r}' - \vec{r})\cdot\nabla\big|_{\vec{r}}\big)^2\psi = \sum_{k=1}^{3}(r'_k - r_k)^2\frac{\partial^2\psi}{\partial x_k^2}\bigg|_{\vec{r}} + \sum_{i\neq j}^3(r'_i - r_i)(r'_j - r_j)\frac{\partial^2\psi}{\partial x_i\partial x_j}\bigg|_{\vec{r}}.\label{eq:psi2}\tag{2} $$

Integrating this term (with $\frac12$ multiplier) gives $\frac{2\pi\rho^2}{3}$. NOTE: the second sum in \eqref{eq:psi2} due to its antisymmetry is also disappears when integrated.

The third term in \eqref{eq:star} is $o(\rho^2)$ when integrated so we have $$ \Delta\psi(\vec{r}) = \lim_{\rho\to 0} \frac{3}{2\pi\rho^2}I. $$

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  • I would like to see why the volume integral of quadratic terms gives also a quadratic value (in terms of the radius). I would expect to get a cubic value when integrating. – Jose Pérez Cano Jun 05 '22 at 11:09
  • @JosePérezCano, integral is taken over the sphere, not the volume. The integral $$\int x^2 d\Omega$$ over the sphere (centered at 0) of radius $\rho$ is equal to $\frac{4\pi\rho^2}{3}$ – LRDPRDX Jun 08 '22 at 09:53