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My book says:

A group is an ordered pair $(G, \cdot)$ where $G$ is a set and $\cdot$ is a binary operation satisfying the following axioms [emphasis mine]:

$\vdots$

Why doesn't it say

A group is an ordered pair $(G, \cdot)$ where $G$ is a set and $\cdot$ is a binary operation satisfying the following propreties:

$\vdots$

As far as I know, axioms are statements which we take for granted; I don't understand why the group axioms are something we have to take for granted; we already know that there exist objects (such as the set of permutations of $3$ objects) which satisfy those propreties.

Even if we knew of no objects which satisfy those propreties, then perhaps the axiom should be "There exists an object which satisfies those propreties" rather the axioms being the propreties themselves.

Ovi
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  • Food for thought: "why are the Peano axioms something we have to take for granted? We already know that there exist objects (such as the natural numbers) which satisfy those properties." – gj255 Nov 08 '17 at 15:08
  • @gj255 Well for groups we already have "background math" which supplies formal objects which satisfy those propreties. For the Peano Axioms, I'm not sure that we can formally get the naturals numbers from the math which is in the background of the Peano Axioms (which I guess is just set theorey?) – Ovi Nov 08 '17 at 15:13
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    As an aside, while it's traditional to introduce groups as having just a binary operation, it is somewhat more accurate to define a group has having a binary operation, a unary operation (inversion) and a constant (the identity). It just so happens that (for groups) the latter two can be defined in terms of the binary operation, and by coincidence anything preserving the binary operation also preserves the rest of the structure. –  Nov 08 '17 at 15:29
  • What is the operational difference between the choice "axioms" or "properties"? – Eric Towers Nov 08 '17 at 16:20

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These axioms are not the axioms for the subject of group theory — they are axioms for the theory of a group.

Anything (in which we have interpreted the language of a group) that is a group will satisfies all of the theorems of the theory of a group. Conversely, anything satisfying all of the theorems of the theory of a group we shall call a group.

Axioms are not nearly so deep as people think they are; they are simply a way to describe and work with theories. For example, anything satisfying this list of axioms for the theory of a group will satisfy all of the theorems of the theory of a group.

The way groups are formulated is an application of model theory — formally we specify a language including a binary operation, and then we define the theory of a group by listing axioms that the binary operation must satisfy.

Then, a group is a model of this theory — we provide a set whose elements serve as the objects and a function that serves as the binary operation such that the theorems of the theory of a group are true for this set and function. (it's enough to just check the axioms)

There is actually a lot of value of taking this model theoretic perspective in abstract algebra. If we fix the traditional definition of a group by adding a unary operation (inversion) and a constant (the unit), then the theory of a group can be seen to be an algebraic theory: it can be axiomatized simply by writing a list of identities.

Algebraic theories are the topic of universal algebra which proves universal theorems that apply to a wide swath of different kinds of algebraic theories; for example, the isomorphism theorems for groups actually apply to any variety of universal algebra.

  • But as I understand it, we could replace "axiom" by "proprety" in what you wrote above and it would have the same meaning. Don't we want to reserve the use of the word "axiom" for statements which are not just propreties? – Ovi Nov 08 '17 at 15:18
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    @Ovi: No, we don't want to reserve the word "axiom" for that use -- we want to use the word "axiom" in any situation where we write down a list of propositions that generate a theory. (also, note that the basics of group theory and similar algebraic structures are related to model theory, which encourages the use of terminology from formal logic) –  Nov 08 '17 at 15:22
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    @Ovi To make Hurkyl's answer even more pointed. The theory of a group can be viewed as a first-order theory just like ZFC set theory. The axioms of the theory of a group are axioms in exactly the same way as the axioms of ZFC. The difference is while we spend a lot of time considering models of the theory of a group, only set theorists spend much time studying models of ZFC. – Derek Elkins left SE Nov 08 '17 at 16:09
  • Further evidence: Grab a random selection of introductory linear algebra texts. You will find that axioms in some are theorems in another, and vice versa. Or consider the countable additivity (limit of sums) and continuity (limit of subsets) axioms of probability theory. You need one or the other, but not both, because either can be derived from the other given the other axioms. – Mars Nov 08 '17 at 17:23
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Axioms are properties too.

Progress on some of the ancient conjectures of mathematics became clarified by this realization.

For example, the question of whether the Parallel Postulate followed from the rest of Euclid's Axioms was settled in the negative by construction of an alternate geometry, the Hyperbolic Plane, and by then proving that the parallel postulate is a false property of the hyperbolic plane, whereas each of the remaining Euclid axioms is a true property of the hyperbolic plane.

For a simpler example, think of Peano's Axioms:

  1. Each $n$ has a unique successor $s(n)$.
  2. If $m \ne n$ then $s(m) \ne s(n)$.
  3. There exists an element $1$ such that $n$ is a successor of some other element if and only if $n \ne 1$.
  4. For each statement $P(n)$, if $P(1)$ is true and if $P(n) \implies P(n+1)$ then $P(n)$ is true for all $n$.

We can think of these as properties, and we can examine mathematical structures which satisfy these properties, or some of these properties.

For example, the integers $\mathbb{Z}$ with successor function $s(n)=n+1$ satisfies 1 and 2 but not 3 and 4.

Also, the union of the natural numbers $\mathbb{N}=\{1,2,3,\ldots\}$ with the set of all half-integers $\{...,-\frac{3}{2},-\frac{1}{2},\frac{1}{2},\frac{3}{2},...\}$, and with successor function $s(n)=n+1$, satisfies 1, 2, and 3 but not 4.


Perhaps one could reconfigure your question to say something like this: When would we call a "property" an "axiom", and when would we call an "axiom" a "property"?

Roughly speaking, when we want to simply accept the existence of mathematical structures satisfying given properties, and when we then want to derive further theorems about such structures using only logical arguments starting from those given properties, then it is fair to call them "axioms". For instance, the beginnings of most group theory texts have a lot of this.

On the other hand, when we have a given set of axioms, and we want to study particular examples of mathematical structures to verify whether they do or do not satisfy those axioms, then it is fair to call them "properties". Every good group theory textbook that is worth its salt has lots and lots of actual examples of particular groups, as well as counterexamples where some of the group axioms fail, together with proofs that the axioms are or are not satisfied for those various examples and counterexamples. In this case we would say that the axioms are "properties" of those things that are constructed, properties which may or may not be true.

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Quoting from Wikipedia: “An axiom or postulate is a statement that is taken to be true, to serve as a premise or starting point for further reasoning and arguments”. Don't you agree that group axioms are starting points?

  • I agree that they are starting points, but why don't we just use the background math (which already supplies objects satisfying those propreties) as the starting point? We can already derive that there exist objects satisfying those propreties, why do we need to assert them as if they need to be asserted? – Ovi Nov 08 '17 at 15:21
  • @Ovi It seems to me that you too much attached to the idea of using axiomas only when we cannot prove that the objects that we are dealing with exist. That's not the case here. The goal here is to fix the basic properties of the objects that we are working with. – José Carlos Santos Nov 08 '17 at 15:46
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"Axioms" in geometry were thought to be self-evident propositions expressing properties of physical space, and were therefore called "axioms".

But then it was discovered that there are spaces satisfying those axioms and other spaces not satisfying them. And so it is with groups. "Axiom", as used in mathematics, ceased to mean a self-evident proposition and took on a different meaning.

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In my opinion, these are definitions, not axioms. Hence properties is a better word. As I see it:

Definition = gives a concise name to a complex object. It normally follows the pattern: "genus proximum et differentia specifica", as in you example of the definition of a group.

Axiom = gives a fact about a defined world, which fact cannot be proven directly from the given definitions or from the other axioms.

blablu
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  • A definition is an axiom that introduces a new term or symbol. And conversely, axioms are a form of definition, in that they "define" the undefinable terms by specifying how they relate to each other. It is the axioms of a theory that tell you what the theory is about. – Paul Sinclair Nov 08 '17 at 17:11