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in Stein's book, we have the following definitions: 1)A subspace S of a Hilbert space H is closed if whenever $(f_n) ⊂ S$ converges to some f ∈ H, then f also belongs to S. 2) The set L^2 is complete if every Cauchy sequence $(f_n)$ in $L^2(\mathbb R)$ converges to a function $f \in L^2(\mathbb R).$

By assumption a Hilbert space H is complete. Now what is the difference between a subspace S of H being complete and being closed? Isn't any convergent (in the norm) sequence of functions, a cauchy sequence? So checking for closedness S is equivalent to checking for completness of S, ie whether every cauchy sequence in S conveges in S(in the norm)?

I will take any help I can get as this is really confusing me. Thanks.

Jonas Meyer
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  • Yes, a closed subset of a complete metric space is complete, and conversely, if a subset of a complete metric space is complete, then it's closed. – quasi Mar 16 '17 at 00:59
  • Thanks, so completeness is stronger than closedness? ie if a metric space is complete then it is closed? And so a closed subset of a Hilbert space is Hilbert? –  Mar 16 '17 at 01:13
  • Basically, a subspace of a hilbert space is complete iff it is closed? –  Mar 16 '17 at 01:17
  • Yes, because the hilbert space is complete. – quasi Mar 16 '17 at 01:21
  • Closedness is a relative property, relative to a containing space. Completeness is a property of the space itself. – quasi Mar 16 '17 at 01:22
  • Thanks for the clarification, I have a completely elementary question though. Since you say closedness is a relative property, is that because we're always thinking of a bigger space that might contain our space and limit points of points in our space? Like for example, suppose I take the interval (0,1) with norm the absolute value. Then clearly (0,1) is not closed nor complete.However, suppose I define (0,1) to be my metric space X. Then would X be closed in itself and complete? –  Mar 16 '17 at 01:29
  • @Socchi: $X$ would be closed but not complete. Every metric space is trivially closed in itself, but $X$ is not complete because it has Cauchy sequences with no limit, such as $(1/n)$. – Jonas Meyer Mar 16 '17 at 01:33
  • Related question: http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/6750/difference-between-complete-and-closed-set – Jonas Meyer Mar 16 '17 at 01:38
  • Right but suppose I only am working with the real numbers in (0,1)? And I do not consider the fact that there is a bigger set of Real numbers which contains the limit of the sequence 1/n, then can't I say my space is complete? I guess I can't.. but if we start out with an arbitrary set..then who is to stop me from defining the fact that 1/n, say, has limit in my set and ergo my set is complete? I ask because you say completeness is an absolute property and not relative and yet we are always comparing to sets that contain our set to establish completeness or not.. Sorry for the long question. –  Mar 16 '17 at 01:38
  • @Socchi: No, there is no assumption about anything happening outside of $(0,1)$ when we verify that $(1/n)$ is a Cauchy sequence using the definition of Cauchy sequence, and no need to consider the rest of $\mathbb R$ when we verify that it has no limit in our space. (Although it would be easier to observe that it converges to $0$ in $\mathbb R$ and use uniqueness of limits, we can show directly from the definition of convergence that for all $x\in(0,1)$, $(1/n)$ does not converge to $x$.) If you say $1/n$ has a limit, you are not working in $(0,1)$ with absolute value, so it's another space – Jonas Meyer Mar 16 '17 at 01:41
  • Still, even if $(0,1)$ is all there is, it's not complete. As in Jonas Meyer's comment, the sequence $(1/n)$ is a Cauchy sequence but does not have a limit in $(0,1)$, so $(0,1)$ is not complete (assuming the usual metric). – quasi Mar 16 '17 at 01:43
  • You can put a different metric on $(0,1)$ for which the space becomes complete. Completeness is not a topological invariant, and this new metric space could still have the ordinary topology. For example, just take a homeomorphism $f:(0,1)\to \mathbb R$ and define $d(x,y)=|f(x)-f(y)|$. This makes $(0,1)$ a complete metric space, but it also makes $(1/n)$ not a Cauchy sequence. On the other hand, if you want $(1/n)$ to have a limit in $(0,1)$, you have to use a different weird metric that changes the topology. – Jonas Meyer Mar 16 '17 at 01:43
  • Informally, Cauchy sequences are sequences that ought to converge (in an ideal space), and they would if the space had the additional points needed so that all previously non-convergent Cauchy sequences would converge. – quasi Mar 16 '17 at 01:45
  • Thanks so if X=(0,1) then you say X is closed which means every convergent sequence in X converges in X. Therefore we would have to call (1/n) a sequence which does not converge? I guess converging is relative to the set we are in as well. –  Mar 16 '17 at 01:47
  • Yes, exactly. With the usual metric, the sequence $(1/n)$ converges in $\mathbb{R}$, but not in $(0,1)$. Still, again assuming the usual metric, the sequence $(1/n)$ is a Cauchy sequence in both spaces. – quasi Mar 16 '17 at 01:50

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If you have $S$ a subspace of a Hilbert space $H$, then $S$ being complete is equivalent to $S$ being closed in $H$.

However, completeness is an absolute property, and closedness is a relative property.

For example, let $c_{00}:=\{x \in \mathbb{R}^{\mathbb{N}} \mid x(n) \neq 0 \text{ for finitely many terms}\}$, with inner product $\langle x,y \rangle$ given by $\sum_\limits n x(n)y(n)$.

Consider the sequence $y_n$ in $c_0$ given by $(y_n)(m)=1/m$ for $m \leq n$ and $0$ for $m>n$. It is clear that $y_n$ is Cauchy. However, $y_n$ can't converge to any $x \in c_{00}$, since the distance from $y_n$ to any given $x$ only grows up after $n$ sufficiently large.

Note that the argument was entirely in $c_{00}$. This illustrate that completeness is an intrinsic property.

However, we can see $c_{00}$ as a subspace of the Hilbert space $l^2:=\{x \in \mathbb{R}^{\mathbb{N}} \mid \sum\limits_n (x(n))^2<\infty\}$. Now, my sequence $y_n$ previously defined clearly converges to $x$ given by $x(n)=1/n$. And $x$ is clearly not in $c_{00}$, hence $c_{00}$ is not closed (and therefore not complete by the statement in the yellow bar).

This may seem more straightforward, however it comes at a cost. We must know beforehand some manageable Hilbert space in which our candidate for completeness lives. This is not so easy in general.

Note also that the advantage of completeness relies heavily on the fact that you can assure a sequence will converge by analysing itself, not finding a candidate beforehand. The situation is analogous: the desire for an intrinsic process.


Let's consider extensively a more elementary example, since you seem to know the concept of metric spaces in the comments. Consider the example discussed above: $\big((0,1),d\big)$, where $d(x,y)=|x-y|$.

Let $x_n=1/n$. Note that $d(x_n,x_m)=|1/n-1/m|< 1/\min\{n,m\}$. Therefore, $x_n$ is Cauchy. Indeed, given $\epsilon>0$, take $N$ such that $1/N < \epsilon$. Therefore, if $n,m>N$, then $\min\{n,m\}>N$ and $d(x_n,x_m)=|1/n-1/m|< 1/\min\{n,m\}<1/N < \epsilon$.

However, $x_n$ does not converge. Indeed, for any $x \in (0,1)$, we have that there exists $N$ such that $x> 1/N$, and therefore, for $n>N$, $d(x_n,x)=|x-1/n|=x-1/n>x-1/N$. That is, for $\epsilon:=x-1/N$, there exists no $n$ etc etc.

It follows, by definition, that $\big((0,1),d\big)$ is not complete.

Note that if $(0,1)$ is a subset of another metric space $(X,d')$ for which $d'|_{(0,1) \times (0,1)}=d$, then given a sequence $x_n \in (0,1)$ and an element $x\in (0,1)$,

$x_n$ is a Cauchy sequence in $\big((0,1),d\big)$ if and only if $x_n$ is a Cauchy sequence in $\big(X,d').$

and

$x_n$ converges to $x$ in $\big((0,1),d\big)$ if and only if $x_n$ converges to $x$ in $\big(X,d').$

It doesn't matter who $X$ is, as long as the induced metric is the metric on $X$. This is precisely why we call completeness an "absolute", or "intrinsic" property: it doesn't depend on where we are, as long as it induces the structure we originally have (obviously, otherwise it would be senseless to compare).

Closedness is very sensitive to the metric/topology of the ambient space. $(0,1)$ is closed on $\big((0,1),d\big)$ (as is any metric space as a subset of itself), but $(0,1)$ is not closed on $\big(\mathbb{R},d_{can}\big)$ for example, even though the metric is the induced one.

To be very explicit, when we talk about completeness, the following phrase is meaningful:

The metric space $(X,d)$ is complete.

When talking about closedness, we need the following phrase in order to have an entire meaningful information:

The subset $A \subset X$ is closed in (X,d).

  • I see, so you're advocating it is easier to work with completeness than closedness? Then if we are in a Hilbert space which is complete, why not just throw away closedness idea or definition in the first place and simply work with completeness property? Or the other way around? Jonas explained why closedness might be easier but you say completeness is usually easier to determine? Also could you take a look at my question posed to quasi in the top of the page comments? I would like to hear as much input as possible. –  Mar 16 '17 at 01:34
  • @Socchi Firstly, I am not advocating it is easier one way or the other. It often depends on context and the informations you have at hand. I will add more info to the answer, hang on. – Aloizio Macedo Mar 16 '17 at 01:49
  • @Socchi I've made an update. Please see if there are any doubts left. – Aloizio Macedo Mar 16 '17 at 02:13
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    Thank you so much for the explanations! It is well appreciated. –  Mar 16 '17 at 03:38
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Yes, for a subspace $X$ of a complete metric space $Y$, $X$ is complete as a metric space with the restricted metric if and only $X$ is closed as a subset of $Y$. Even if $Y$ is not complete, completeness of $X$ with the restricted metric implies that $X$ is closed in $Y$, because, as you said, convergent sequences are Cauchy. (But if $Y$ is not complete, then closedness of $X$ does not imply completeness, as even taking $X=Y$ shows.)

But when we're working with complete spaces, why make the distinction? (Is that part of your question?) First of all, the equivalence only applies once you're already sitting in a complete space, so for our "big" space $Y$, we need to use the concept of completeness. But then for a subspace $X$ of a complete space $Y$, why not check completeness instead of closedness? I would say that part of the reason is that it's easier to work with and show closedness, and then you get completeness for free when it is convenient. To show closedness you start by assuming a sequence converges and then just have to show the limit is in your subspace. Working with completeness for subspaces in general would add another unnecessary step of pointing out that there is a limit of a Cauchy sequence because of completeness of the big space, then you still have to show the limit is also in the subspace.

Jonas Meyer
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  • Thanks that clears up some of my questions, yes I meant why not just work with completeness all the way through if working in a Hilbert space. Can you take a look at my other question that I wrote as a comment to quasi? –  Mar 16 '17 at 01:31
  • @Socchi: I just responded directly to your comment above, but I also indirectly address that case in the parenthetical at the end of the first paragraph. Every space is closed in itself. However a given metric space may or may not be complete, which as Aloizio Macedo points out is an "intrinsic" property not depending on which space we're contained in, but depending only on our space and its metric. – Jonas Meyer Mar 16 '17 at 01:35