Determine all $a,b,c\in \mathbb{Z}$ for which the equation $(a^2+b^2)x^2-2(b^2+c^2)x-(c^2+a^2)=0$ has rational roots.. I know $\Delta \ge 0$ and $\sqrt{\Delta}$ must be rational.
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Okay, so what does $\Delta$ mean in this situation? – Obinna Nwakwue Apr 09 '17 at 19:28
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=$4(b^2+c^2)^2+4(a^2+b^2)(c^2+a^2)$ – piteer Apr 13 '17 at 08:28
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Okay, what have you tried so far? – Obinna Nwakwue Apr 13 '17 at 23:59
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I don;t know how to start – piteer Apr 17 '17 at 10:05
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Okay, so you have the discriminant (kinda) wrong, the last binomial term should be $(-c^2 - a^2) or the 4 should be negative. – Obinna Nwakwue Apr 18 '17 at 01:00
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Oops, meant to be $(-c^2 - a^2)$. – Obinna Nwakwue Apr 19 '17 at 00:19
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delta=4(a^4+b^4+c^+a^2b^2+a^2c^2+3b^2c^2). I dont think the polynomial in paranthese can be perfect square or a forth power of an integer . – sirous Apr 20 '17 at 10:41
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2$\Delta=4(a^4+b^4+c^4+a^2b^2+a^2c^2+3b^2c^2)$. Iff this number is a perfect square integer then roots will be rational. – Χpẘ Apr 21 '17 at 00:01
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1If any two of $a,b,c$ are equal to zero, then there are rational roots. – Χpẘ Apr 21 '17 at 00:37
1 Answers
This is partial solution.
As Χpẘ suggested, we need to determine $a,b,c$ which makes $a^4+b^4+c^4+a^2b^2+a^2c^2+3b^2c^2$ perfect square. We know that $(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2=a^4+b^4+c^4+2a^2b^2+2b^2c^2+2c^2a^2$ is a square.
We know that $(a,0,0), (0,b,0), (0,0,c)$ is solution. Therefore, let's assume that at most one of $a,b,c$ is $0$. Also, we are dealing with squares, so we can assume that $a,b,c$ is all non-negative. Since if $(x,y,z)$ is a solution, then $(kx,ky,kz)$ is also a solution, we may assume $\gcd(a,b,c)=1$. Also, the equation is symmetric with respect to $b$ and $c$, so we may assume that $b \ge c$.
Case 1: $a^4+b^4+c^4+2a^2b^2+2b^2c^2+2c^2a^2 = a^4+b^4+c^4+a^2b^2+a^2c^2+3b^2c^2$
If then, $(b^2-a^2)(c^2-a^2)=a^4$. If $a=0$, there is no solution since $b,c$ is nonzero. Similarly, we cannot assume that $b$ or $c$ is zero.
Also if $c \le b < a$, then $0>b^2-a^2>-a^2$ and $0>c^2-a^2>-a^2$, so no solution. If $c \le a \le b$, then LHS is $0$ or negative. Therefore $a<c\le b$.
Let $b^2-a^2=\frac{p}{q}a^2$ and $c^2-a^2=\frac{q}{p}a^2$. Clearly $p \ne q$ and from $b \ge c$, $p > q$. Then we know that both $\frac{p+q}{q}$ and $\frac{p+q}{p}$ are perfect squares, also their reciprocals $\frac{q}{p+q}$ and $\frac{p}{p+q}$. Their sum is exactly $1$ and we know all nontrivial rational solutions to this equation corresponds to Pythagorean triple. Therefore, take any Pythagorean triple $l,m,n$ with $l^2+m^2=n^2$ and $l<m<n$, we have $b^2l^2=a^2n^2$ and $c^2m^2=a^2n^2$. It follows that $a=lm$, $b=mn$, $c=ln$.
Case 2: $a^4+b^4+c^4+2a^2b^2+2b^2c^2+2c^2a^2 \ne a^4+b^4+c^4+a^2b^2+a^2c^2+3b^2c^2$
This case is really hard... I cannot make any progress worth mentioning.
I made a computer search for the solutions under 1k of Case 2. There are about 760 solutions, and you can see the list and code used here.
def is_square(apositiveint):
x = apositiveint // 2
seen = set([x])
while x * x != apositiveint:
x = (x + (apositiveint // x)) // 2
if x in seen: return False
seen.add(x)
return True
for i in range(0, 1000):
for j in range(0, 1000):
for k in range(j, 1000):
number = i ** 4 + j ** 4 + k ** 4 + 3 * j * j * k * k + i * i * (j * j + k * k)
if number > 2 and not (i == j == 0 or j == k == 0 or k == i == 0) and is_square(number) and (i * i + j * j + k * k) ** 2 != number:
print i, j, k, (number ** 0.5 - (i * i + j * j + k * k)) / 18
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gij-LfwLYKCq5TnYlRtDnbem988Udu6zZU-a7iGMjtY/edit?usp=sharing

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Your response was the only one that came. Come on, this problem is extremely hard for even experienced mathematicians to solve. You tried, but my bounty was about to end, so I had to award it to you. – Obinna Nwakwue Apr 26 '17 at 00:18
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