Most students are first taught standard analysis, and the might learn about NSA later on. However, what has kept NSA from becoming the standard? At least from what I've been told, it is much more intuitive than the standard. So why has it not been adopted as the mainstream analysis, especially for lower-level students?

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2NSA is not the only reasonable alternative to standard analysis. I think "too many competing options" could be a reason too. – Stefan Perko Jan 12 '16 at 15:50
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6In how far is NSA supposedly more intuitive than standard analysis? – Daniel Fischer Jan 12 '16 at 16:08
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@DanielFischer From what I've heard, NSA allows you to treat differentials as you would any number. – Ovi Jan 12 '16 at 17:44
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3Why put the question on hold? I though the tag "soft-question" was specifically for opinion based questions with no definite answer – Ovi Jan 12 '16 at 17:45
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@DanielFischer, in response to your question, I can send you some materials based on first-hand teaching experience. – Mikhail Katz Jan 21 '16 at 08:36
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2@Daniel: Was that in the leaked documents from Snowden? – Asaf Karagila Jan 21 '16 at 09:07
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I think there are a number of reasons:
- Early reviews of Robinson's papers and Keisler's textbook were done by a prejudiced individual, so most mature mathematicians had a poor first impression of it.
- It appears to have a lot of nasty set theory and model theory in it. Start talking about nonprincipal ultrafilters and see the analysts' eyes glaze over. (This of course is silly: the construction of the hyperreals and the transfer principle is as important to NSA as construction of the reals is for real analysis, and we know how much people love that part of their first analysis course.)
- There is a substantial set of opinion that because NSA and standard analysis are equivalent, there's no point in learning the former.
- Often, the bounds created with NSA arguments are a lot weaker than standard analysis bounds. See Terry Tao's discussion here.
- Lots of mathematicians are still prejudiced by history and culture to instinctively think that anything infinitesimal is somewhere between false and actually sinful, and best left to engineers and physicists.
- As Stefan Perko mentions in the comments, there are a number of other infinitesimal approaches: smooth infinitesimals, nilpotents, synthetic differential geometry, . . . none of these is a standout candidate for replacement.
- It's not a widely-studied subject, so using it in papers limits the audience of your work.
Most of these reasons are the usual ones about inertia: unless a radical approach to a subject is shown to have distinct advantages over the prevalent one, switching over is seen as more trouble than it's worth. And at the end of the day, mathematics has to be taught by more senior mathematicians, so they are the ones who tend to determine the curriculum.

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11Well, I liked the construction of the reals, both with Dedekind cuts and Cauchy sequences modulo null sequences. But looking back, I doubt I would have appreciated nonprincipal ultrafilters in the first semester, that's at a considerably higher level of abstraction. – Daniel Fischer Jan 12 '16 at 16:19
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So far (55 years from Robinson's book) it has not caught on. Working mathematicians have not seen much benefit to learning it. Mathematical research relies on communication with others: so although I know NSA I normally to not use it to talk to others, since they don't. I believe NSA does have some important uses among logicians.
Nevertheless, amateur mathematicians keep posting here about non-standard analysis

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1As for the hidden bit, I think part of its appeal (though certainly not the only part) is specifically as an alternative to people who found standard analysis difficult or counterintuitive. Almost every working mathematician had no problem with introductory standard analysis nor found it unintuitive; and if nonstandard analysis is equivalent to standard analysis, why bother replacing it? – anomaly Jan 12 '16 at 16:29
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4GEdgar, I am a working mathematician and I have seen much benefit in learning about Robinson's infinitesimals, both for research and for teaching. Would it be appropriate to qualify your assertion? – Mikhail Katz Jan 21 '16 at 08:33
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2Terry Tao posted here about nonstandard analysis. Is he an amateur mathematician in your opinion? – Mikhail Katz Jan 21 '16 at 16:54
Robinson's framework today is a flourishing field, with its own journal: Journal of Logic and Analysis, and applications to other fields like differential geometry.
The way Robinson originally presented his theory made it appear as if one needs to learn a substantial amount of mathematical logic in order to use infinitesimals. This perception lingers on combined with the feeling, reinforced by the choice of the term nonstandard, that one requires a brave new world of novel axioms in order to do mathematics with infinitesimals.
The fact that Robinson's, as well as Ed Nelson's, frameworks are conservative with respect to the traditional Zermelo-Fraenkel (ZFC) foundations did not "trickle down to the poor" as it should have.
In undergraduate teaching, it is insufficiently realized that just as one doesn't construct the real numbers in freshman calculus, there is no need to introduce the maximal ideals, either. Emphasis on rigorous procedures (rather than set-theoretic foundations) needs to be clarified further.
The proven effectiveness of the infinitesimal approach in the classroom parallels its increasing use around the world, including the US, Belgium, Israel, Switzerland, and Italy.

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3"In undergraduate teaching, it is insufficiently realized that just as one doesn't construct the real numbers in freshman calculus", both in the university I studied as an undergrad, as well the university I'm studying as a Ph.D. student (and those are two different universities), freshman calculus begins with constructing the reals using Dedekind cuts. – Asaf Karagila Jan 22 '16 at 09:28
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1Also [citation needed] for that last sentence. I never heard about this going on in Israel. Certainly not at research universities. – Asaf Karagila Jan 22 '16 at 09:30
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4This is very unusual for freshman calculus. A colleague of mine similarly mentioned that at Hebrew University one constructs the reals in freshman calculus, but agreed with me that this is unusual. Personally I think someone who understands the construction via Dedekind cuts shouldn't have any problem with quotienting by a maximal ideal. – Mikhail Katz Jan 22 '16 at 09:30
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BGU, BIU, HUJI, TAU, Technion; and I am willing to include Haifa and Ariel in that list for the sake of argument. – Asaf Karagila Jan 22 '16 at 09:31
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1See here. For the record, I hereby express protest against your dismissive reference to respected universities. – Mikhail Katz Jan 22 '16 at 09:32
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5Yes, I didn't expect you not to include a link to your own work. And I do agree that the move from $0$ universities to $1$ university is an infinite increase terms of percentage. But this is not what your last sentence reflects. Have a nice weekend. – Asaf Karagila Jan 22 '16 at 09:34
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I mean I'm not as smart as the people above, but at least in the US, where "freshman calculus" is synonymous with the "AP Calculus BC" many people (including myself) learn in high school, which is not taught rigorously at all. After that there is usually a course in "multivariable calculus" which again does not proceed rigorously. Then after that one is allowed to take a course in "real analysis" (which basically covers the same topics) which does begin with Dedekind cuts (at least in the honors version I took). I know in Germany though, in universities they only teach "analysis". – Chill2Macht Jun 01 '16 at 15:06
NSA is an interesting intellectual game in its own right, but it is not helping the student to a better understanding of multivariate analysis: volume elements, $ds$ versus $dx$, etcetera. The difficulties there reside largely in the geometric intuition, and not in the $\epsilon/\delta$-procedures reformulated in terms of NSA.
We are still awaiting a "new analysis" reconciling the handling of calculus using the notation of engineers (and mathematicians as well, when they are alone) with the sound concepts of "modern analysis".
And while I'm at it: Why should we introduce more orders of infinity than there are atoms in the universe in order to better understand $\int_\gamma \nabla f\cdot dx=f\bigl(\gamma(b)\bigr)-f\bigl(\gamma(a)\bigr)\>$?

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1It would be helpful if you could provide sources for your sweeping opinions that go counter to published educational research. – Mikhail Katz Jun 01 '16 at 15:31
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@MikhailKatz: Thank you for giving me the opportunity to expand on my answer. – Christian Blatter Jun 01 '16 at 15:44
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3C.B., why should we have more real numbers than there are atoms in the universe? – Mikhail Katz Jun 01 '16 at 15:46