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Help solving over the integers: $$ax^2+by^2+cz^2+dxy+exz+fzy=0$$ where $(x_0,y_0,z_0)$ is a known integral solution and $a,b,c,d,e,f$ are integral coefficients.

I found in Tito Piezas' identities the solutions. However, I am more interested in the steps followed to get the results. Any hints?

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    Need a similar formula to that? http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1513733/solving-a-diophantine-equation-of-the-form-x2-ay2-byz-cz2-with-the-co/1514052#1514052 – individ Nov 25 '15 at 14:54
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    @WillJagy: I think he means this nice identity by Desboves. (Form 6 of this page.) Theorem: Given one integral soln to $ax^2+by^2+cz^2+dxy+exz+fyz = 0$, then an infinite more can be found using a polynomial identity: $$aX^2+bY^2+cZ^2+dXY+eXZ+fYZ = \(ax^2+by^2+cz^2+dxy+exz+fyz)(bp^2+fpq+cq^2)^2$$ where

    $$X = -x(bp^2+fpq+cq^2)$$

    $$Y = (dx+by+fz)p^2 + (ex+2cz)pq - cyq^2$$

    $$Z = -bzp^2 + (dx+2by)pq + (ex+fy+cz)q^2$$ for arbitrary $p,q$.

    – Tito Piezas III Dec 09 '15 at 12:48
  • @WillJagy: Well, I already have Realis' and Desboves' general solutions, so I'm content. Besides, I'm focusing now on higher powers. :) – Tito Piezas III Dec 11 '15 at 04:26
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    @TitoPiezasIII I see, exploring your spirituality. Every lonely river must go home to the sea. – Will Jagy Dec 11 '15 at 04:30
  • @WillJagy: Eventually that too. But I just meant $4$th powers and above. :) – Tito Piezas III Dec 11 '15 at 04:38
  • just curious, how come (a) does not show up in the identity? –  Jan 12 '16 at 16:11

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I think I ought to start by pointing out that we find all primitive solutions to $x^2 + y^2 - z^2 = 0$ (Pythagorean triples) using a parametrization in two variables, $x=r^2 - s^2, y = 2 r s, z = r^2 + s^2,$ with $\gcd(r,s) = 1$ and one odd, one even. This type of $2$ variable outcome is evident when, in the original question, $d=e=0,$ so that we have $a x^2 + d x y + b y^2 = - c z^2.$ We simply define rational variables $u = x/z$ and $v = y/z.$ The hypothesis is that there is at least one rational point $(u_0, v_0)$ on the conic section $a u^2 + d u v + b v^2 = -c.$ We find all rational points by stereographic projection, $u = u_0 + t u_1,$ $v = v_0 + t v_1.$ Plug into the defining equation for the conic section, take $t \neq 0$ gives another, nonzero value for $t,$ plug that into the projection, clear denominators, the result is a parametrization by two variables.

With $ax^2+by^2+cz^2+dxy+exz+fzy=0,$ we may use stereographic projection around a given integer solution. This results in a three parameter description of solutions. It gives a multiple of every primitive solution. It is sometimes a little hard to predict the GCD of the three variables, meaning it is hard to be sure we have found all solutions with given bounds on the entries.

There is an interesting alternative, method goes back to Fricke and Klein, gives a two variable parametrization, and can be adjusted to deal with GCD's. There is a complete answer to this, finding all primitive solutions, meaning $\gcd(x,y,z) = 1.$

We begin with finding all primitive solutions to $y^2 - z x = 0.$ If $g = \gcd(x,z) > 1,$ then $g^2 | y^2$ and $g | y,$ so $g | \gcd(x,y,z).$ However, $\gcd(x,y,z) = 1.$ So, $\gcd(x,z) = 1.$ Since $xz = y^2,$ either $x=u^2, z=v^2,$ or $x=-u^2,z=-v^2,$ in either case with $\gcd(u,v) = 1.$ That is, possibly by changing from $(x,y,z)$ to $(-x,-y,-z)$ so as to arrange $x \geq 0,$ all primitive solutions are $$ x = u^2, y = u v, z = v^2. $$

Next, your quadratic form is $X^T G X / 2,$ where $$ G = \left( \begin{array}{rrr} 2a & d & e \\ d & 2b & f \\ e & f &2c \end{array} \right) $$ and $$ X = \left( \begin{array}{r} x \\ y \\ z \end{array} \right) $$

The quadratic form $y^2 - z x$ is $X^T H X / 2,$ where $$ H = \left( \begin{array}{rrr} 0 & 0 & -1 \\ 0 & 2 & 0 \\ -1 & 0 & 0 \end{array} \right) $$ It is a theorem in Fricke and Klein (1897), pages 507-508 that, because your quadratic form has at least one integer solution, in which $(x,y,z)$ are not all zero, there exists a square matrix of integers $R$ and a nonzero integer $n$ such that $$ R^T G R = n H. $$ As $R$ has an inverse, we can take $S$ to have integral entries and minimize positive $k$ in $$ RS = SR = k I. $$

We already know that we can take all solutions of $y^2 - z x = 0$ as the column vector $$ U = \left( \begin{array}{r} u^2 \\ uv \\ v^2 \end{array} \right) $$ for relatively prime $(u,v).$ That is, $U^T H U = 0,$ and all solutions are a scalar multiple of $U.$

What happens if $X^T G X = 0,$ the "solutions" we want, with gcd one? Well, $R^T G R = n H,$ so $S^T R^T G R S = n S^T H S,$ so $$ G = \frac{n}{k^2} S^T H S, $$ and $X^T G X = 0$ says $$ X^T S^T H S X = 0. $$ We have already shown that there is some integer $w$ with $$ SX = w U. $$ This gives us $RSX = w RU$ and $kX = w RU.$ Now, as $\gcd(x,y,z) = 1,$ there is a row vector $A = (\alpha,\beta,\gamma)$ with $AX = 1.$ This tells us $k = w ARU.$ As $ARU$ is some integer, $w | k,$ and the earlier $kX = w RU$ becomes $$ X = \frac{1}{h} R U $$ for $h = \frac{k}{w} \in \mathbb Z.$ Furthermore, as $ RS = SR = k I, $ we know $k | \det R,$ so $h | k$ tells us $h | \det R.$ One may leave it this way: list the divisors of $\det R,$ including $\det R$ itself. For each primitive pair $(u,v),$ produce the column vector $RU,$ which will be a solution but perhaps not primitive. Divide out by the gcd of the entries of $RU.$ All integer primitive solutions are given by $$ X = RU/ g_1, $$ where $g_1$ is the gcd of the three entries of $RU.$ It is worth emphasizing that $g_1$ is a divisor of $\det R.$ Also, we get some explicit bounds, as $$ |X|^2 = \frac{1}{g_1^2} U^T R^T R U, $$ since $R$ is nonsingular integer and $R^T R$ is symmetric positive definite. So, no matter what, we have a way to find all primitive solutions $X$ with some $|X| \leq \mbox{bound}$ by taking $|u|, |v|$ up to some other bound we can figure out. $$ \bigcirc \bigcirc \bigcirc \bigcirc \bigcirc \bigcirc \bigcirc $$ A more interesting alternative: for each divisor of $\det R,$ we may rewrite the eventual primitive solution with that gcd as a new recipe, $R_1 U$ for a new integer matrix $R_1$ that also solves $R_1^T G R_1 = n H.$

The example I like to show is solving $$ 2(x^2 + y^2 + z^2) - 113(yz + zx + xy)=0, $$ four "recipes," $$ \left( \begin{array}{r} x \\ y \\ z \end{array} \right) = \left( \begin{array}{r} 37 u^2 + 51 uv + 8 v^2 \\ 8 u^2 -35 uv -6 v^2 \\ -6 u^2 + 23 uv + 37 v^2 \end{array} \right) $$

$$ \left( \begin{array}{r} x \\ y \\ z \end{array} \right) = \left( \begin{array}{r} 32 u^2 + 61 uv + 18 v^2 \\ 18 u^2 -25 uv -11 v^2 \\ -11 u^2 + 3 uv + 32 v^2 \end{array} \right) $$

$$ \left( \begin{array}{r} x \\ y \\ z \end{array} \right) = \left( \begin{array}{r} 38 u^2 + 45 uv + 4 v^2 \\ 4 u^2 -37 uv -3 v^2 \\ -3 u^2 + 31 uv + 38 v^2 \end{array} \right) $$

$$ \left( \begin{array}{r} x \\ y \\ z \end{array} \right) = \left( \begin{array}{r} 29 u^2 + 63 uv + 22 v^2 \\ 22 u^2 -19 uv -12 v^2 \\ -12 u^2 -5 uv + 29 v^2 \end{array} \right) $$

In all four cases we simply discard occurrences when the resulting $x,y,z$ have a common factor. With the understanding that we negate all $x,y,z$ so that the entry with largest absolute value is positive, then sort so that $$ x \geq |y| \geq |z|, $$ here are the answers with maximum up to $1200$

jagy@phobeusjunior:~$ ./isotropy_binaries_combined 2 113 1200 | sort -n
             x      y     z          first line       u   v
             29     22    -12      < 29, 63, 22 >      1  0    
             32     18    -11      < 32, 61, 18 >      1  0    
             37      8     -6      < 37, 51, 8 >      1  0    
             38      4     -3      < 38, 45, 4 >      1  0    
            188    171    -86      < 37, 51, 8 >      1  2    
            211    144    -82      < 38, 45, 4 >      1  2    
            226    123    -76      < 32, 61, 18 >      1  2    
            243     94    -64      < 29, 63, 22 >      1  2    
            246     88    -61      < 38, 45, 4 >      2  1    
            258     59    -44      < 37, 51, 8 >      2  1    
            264     38    -29      < 29, 63, 22 >      2  1    
            268     11     -6      < 32, 61, 18 >      2  1    
            396    262   -151      < 37, 51, 8 >      1  3    
            432    209   -134      < 38, 45, 4 >      1  3    
            472    129    -94      < 29, 63, 22 >      3  1    
            489     76    -58      < 32, 61, 18 >      3  1    
            516    458   -233      < 38, 45, 4 >      2  3    
            526    447   -232      < 37, 51, 8 >      2  3    
            628    311   -198      < 38, 45, 4 >      3  2    
            656    262   -177      < 32, 61, 18 >      2  3    
            671    232   -162      < 37, 51, 8 >      3  2    
            692    183   -134      < 29, 63, 22 >      2  3    
            726     47    -32      < 32, 61, 18 >      3  2    
            727     36    -22      < 29, 63, 22 >      3  2    
            804    787   -382      < 32, 61, 18 >      1  5    
            894    688   -373      < 29, 63, 22 >      1  5    
            953    946   -456      < 38, 45, 4 >      3  4    
           1034    492   -317      < 37, 51, 8 >      1  5    
           1062    443   -296      < 29, 63, 22 >      5  1    
           1102    363   -256      < 38, 45, 4 >      1  5    
           1123    314   -228      < 32, 61, 18 >      5  1    
           1159   1046   -528      < 32, 61, 18 >      1  6    
           1179    118    -88      < 38, 45, 4 >      5  1    
           1188     19      2      < 37, 51, 8 >      5  1    
           1199   1002   -524      < 29, 63, 22 >      1  6
             x      y     z          first line       u   v

I should probably point out that, while it was quite easy (after writing the C++ programs) to make a list of primitive solutions to $ 2(x^2 + y^2 + z^2) - 113(yz + zx + xy)=0 $ with $x \geq |y| \geq |z|$ for $x \leq 1200,$ and just as easy to identify the four square matrices $R_1,R_2,R_3,R_4$ used above, it was quite a big job to prove that these really do give all (ordered) primitive solutions. I have a pdf of the whole business in detail, about twenty pages Latex. Oh: in the above, we may always take $u,v \geq 0.$ It is a reasonable conjecture that the problem $ A(x^2 + y^2 + z^2) - B(yz + zx + xy)=0, $ with $\gcd(A,B)=0,$ $B > A > 0,$ and both $B-A$ and $B + 2A$ expressible in integers as $s^2 + 3 t^2,$ always works out with a finite number of such $R_i.$ No proof.

Will Jagy
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  • The question is in the solution of this equation. $$ax^2+by^2+cz^2+dxy+exz+fyz=0$$ Instead of this equation. $$2(x^2+y^2+z^2)-113(yz+zx+xy)=0$$ Leave the number. Solve the equation formally. Using the ratios as characters. – individ Nov 27 '15 at 04:39
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For the equation.

$$aX^2+bY^2+cZ^2=dXY+eXZ+fYZ$$

If you know any solution $(x,y,z)$ of this equation. Then the formula for the solution of the equation can be written immediately.

$$X=(dy+ez-ax)p^2+(fz-2by)ps+bxs^2+cxt^2+(fy-2cz)pt-fxst$$

$$Y=ayp^2+(ez-2ax)ps+(dx+fz-by)s^2+cyt^2-eypt+(ex-2cz)st$$

$$Z=azp^2-dzps+bzs^2+(ex+fy-cz)t^2+(dy-2ax)pt+(dx-2by)st$$

$p,s,t - $ any integers.

individ
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    Individ-- Can it be shown that this parametrization accounts for all of the integer solutions, or perhaps one each of every primitive (gcd=1) solution? – coffeemath Nov 26 '15 at 09:15
  • @coffeemath if you don't believe me, check for yourself. Something to prove - just don't see the point. – individ Nov 26 '15 at 09:20
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    individ-- The point is there are two issues: (1) with any choice of $p,s,t$ does a solution arise from the formulas? [This part would just be algebra] and (2) can it be shown that given a solution $X,Y,Z$ there is a choice of a triple $(p,s,t)$ which by the formulas will produce that solution $X,Y,Z$? [This part would be harder, not just algebra, or at least not as simple algebra.] – coffeemath Nov 26 '15 at 19:14
  • @coffeemath I wrote the formula in General. Such an approach as simple as possible. It is enough to substitute the proper numbers and get the formula. This method of calculation does not sit well with many. It is clear that other answers are not able to write the equation in General form. Always cited as an example of numerical equations. – individ Nov 27 '15 at 04:32
  • “Don't see the point”? Proof is the very foundation of mathematics. – Kieren MacMillan Aug 06 '16 at 11:55
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This thing surprised me, but perhaps it should not have. Given any quadratic form $g(x) = x' G x,$ where $G$ is a symmetric matrix, $x$ a column vector, and $x'$ its transpose, a row vector, we are taking $x$ and a new vector $v$ and creating $$ r = (v'Gv)x - 2 (x'Gv)v. $$ This gives us $$ r' G r = (v'Gv)^2 (x'Gx) - 4 (v'Gv)(x'Gv)^2+ 4 (x'Gv)^2 (v'Gv) = (x'Gx)(v'Gv)^2, $$ so $$ r' G r = (x'Gx)(v'Gv)^2. $$ This is Desboves, $$ g(r) = g(x) \left( g(v) \right)^2 . $$ In particular, if $g(x) = 0,$ then $g(r) = 0.$

Why do I call this stereographic projection? We start with an integer vector $x,$ and suppose that $g(x) = 0.$ Take a second integer vector $v.$ With a rational parameter $t,$ any rational vector can be written as $x+tv.$ Furthermore, $g(x+tv) = g(x) + 2 t (x'Gv) + t^2 g(v).$ Under the supposition that $g(x) = 0,$ we find the other null vector along this ray by setting $2 t (x'Gv) + t^2 g(v)=0,$ demanding $t \neq 0,$ dividing out by $t,$ then solving, which gives $t g(v) = -2 (x'Gv).$ So the rational $$ t = -2 (x'Gv)/ g(v), $$ and $$ x+tv = \frac{xg(v) - 2 (x'Gv)v}{g(v)}. $$ When $g(x) = 0,$ this $g(x+tv) =0$ gives the other rational point along that line and on the surface $g=0.$ It may not be composed of integers, though, so we take the integer multiple $$ r = x g(v) - 2 (x'Gv)v. $$ We do get $g(r) = 0,$ the only problem is that the gcd of the entries of $r$ is not entirely predictable. If we agree to divide out by the gcd, we are guaranteed to get all integer primitive solutions to $g=0$ this way.

some detail on individ's answer, based on a new comment by Tito a few hours ago. individ wrote with some minus signs on the mixed terms, in the pari output below I show how to derive the expressions and I confirm the Desboves type identity

$$ aX^2 + b Y^2 + c Z^2 - d XY - e XZ - f YZ = (ax^2 + b y^2 + c z^2 - d xy - e xz - f yz) \left(ap^2 + b s^2 + c t^2 - d ps - e pt - f st \right)^2 $$

with $X,Y,Z$ as given in his answer. I checked this in gp-pari, it is stereographic projection around a known solution, which has lower case $x,y,z.$ When finished, there is the Desboves type identity abaove, and this holds even when $(x,y,z)$ is not really a solution..

let: X =  x + u * p; Y = y + u * s;  Z = z + u * t


let: poly =    a * X^2 + b * Y^2 + c * Z^2 - d * X * Y - e * X * Z  - f * Y * Z


parisize = 4000000, primelimit = 500509
? X =  x + u * p; Y = y + u * s;  Z = z + u * t
%1 = t*u + z

?  poly =    a * X^2 + b * Y^2 + c * Z^2 - d * X * Y - e * X * Z  - f * Y * Z
%2 = a*x^2 + ((2*a*p + (-d*s - e*t))*u + (-d*y - e*z))*x + ((a*p^2 + (-d*s - e*t)*p + (b*s^2 - f*t*s + c*t^2))*u^2 + ((-d*y - e*z)*p + ((2*b*s - f*t)*y + (-f*z*s + 2*c*t*z)))*u + (b*y^2 - f*z*y + c*z^2))
? 
? 
? poly0 = polcoeff(poly, 0, u)   
%3 = a*x^2 + (-d*y - e*z)*x + (b*y^2 - f*z*y + c*z^2)
? 
? poly1 = polcoeff(poly, 1, u)   
%4 = (2*a*p + (-d*s - e*t))*x + ((-d*y - e*z)*p + ((2*b*s - f*t)*y + (-f*z*s + 2*c*t*z)))
? 
? poly2 = polcoeff(poly, 2, u)   
%5 = a*p^2 + (-d*s - e*t)*p + (b*s^2 - f*t*s + c*t^2)
? 
? 
X,Y,Z become:
p,s,t

denom =     a * p^2 + b * s^2 + c * t^2 - d * p * s - e * p * t  - f * s * t

? denom - poly2
%7 = 0
? 
? 
? XX = x * poly2 - p * poly1
%8 = (-a*p^2 + (b*s^2 - f*t*s + c*t^2))*x + ((d*y + e*z)*p^2 + ((-2*b*s + f*t)*y + (f*z*s - 2*c*t*z))*p)
? 
? YY = y * poly2 - s * poly1
%9 = (-2*a*s*p + (d*s^2 + e*t*s))*x + (a*y*p^2 + (-e*t*y + e*z*s)*p + ((-b*s^2 + c*t^2)*y + (f*z*s^2 - 2*c*t*z*s)))
? 
? ZZ = z * poly2 - t * poly1
%10 = (-2*a*t*p + (d*t*s + e*t^2))*x + (a*z*p^2 + (d*t*y - d*z*s)*p + ((-2*b*t*s + f*t^2)*y + (b*z*s^2 - c*t^2*z)))
? 
?  polypoly  =    a * XX^2 + b * YY^2 + c * ZZ^2 - d * XX * YY - e * XX * ZZ  - f * YY * ZZ 


polypoly - poly0 * poly2^2  

? 
? 
? polypoly - poly0 * poly2^2  
%12 = 0
? 
? 
? WOW
Will Jagy
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  • Wow! that 's way more than I can even understand. But thanks for your expert input. –  Dec 10 '15 at 19:56
  • @WillJagy: Individ's result got me thinking about ternary quadratic forms. Kindly see this question. – Tito Piezas III Dec 11 '15 at 14:11
  • Réalis gave the special case $d=e=f=0$. Serendipitously, I happened to be playing around with it yesterday, which lead to my question http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1883806/restrictions-on-the-hypothetical-solutions-of-a-ternary-quadratic-form – Kieren MacMillan Aug 06 '16 at 12:01