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How can I prove that a group of size $\ge18$ can be assembled from groups of $4$ and $7$ using the well ordering principle?

Well-ordering principle: Every nonempty subset $T$ of $N$ has a least element. That is, there is an $m ∈ T$ such that $m ≤ n$ for all $n ∈ T$.

I have the following unorganized thoughts: I can only prove this by induction not Well Ordering Principle so please let me know how to do that!

Proposition: $P(n)$: If n $\ge18$, there is a group of people of size $n$ made from groups of $4$ or $7$.

$P(0)$: is vacuously true

Inductive step: assume $P(0)...P(n)$ is true. Then $P(n+1)$ must also be true. I don't know how to write this part:

---Unorganized thoughts The rules that I have come up with is:

  1. If the size is $\ge 5$ groups of $4$, then you replace by $3$ groups of $7$.

  2. If the number cannot be represented in multiples of $5$ groups of $4$, replace one of the groups of $7$ by $2$ groups of $4$

  3. Repeat as needed until you get the requested number, which is now made up of groups of $4$ and $7$.

How do I write that as a proof? These are unorganized thoughts.

Please write your steps in detailed order so I can follow. I'm not very proficient in math symbolism so please explain symbols if possible.

Thanks!

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Not sure what the well ordering principle is, but here is how I would prove this:

  • $A_{18} = \{4,7,7\}$
  • $A_{19} = \{4,4,4,7\}$
  • $A_{20} = \{4,4,4,4,4\}$
  • $A_{21} = \{7,7,7\}$
  • $A_{n} = \{4\} \cup A_{n-4}$
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    "using well ordering principle" can be read as "by induction". So your interpretation of it is correct, as well as your answer. – drhab Oct 13 '15 at 09:43
  • @drhab: Yeah, I see the additional tags now (they weren't there before). I could probably write a more formal proof by induction, but will wait to see if OP can't figure it out at this point. Thanks. – barak manos Oct 13 '15 at 09:45
  • @barakmanos I have included a definition of the well ordering principle in the main question. Can you please rephrase your proof according to the well ordering principle? Thanks! – shoestringfries Oct 14 '15 at 01:06