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So here I go, I have enrolled myself in maths major this year but due to less marks in SSC I couldn't secure admission in a good university so I have to take admission wherever I could get with my marks. The problems is that teachers here are not qualified enough to teach mathematics properly and they teach horrible. I feel like studying on my would be much better than that. What makes the situation much worse is that most of the students are not at all interested in learning. They abhor it. But I'm interested in learning mathematics. In fact I love mathematics more than anything else in this world. But I don't know what is the best way to study higher level mathematics on my own.

So here are my doubts:

  1. Is it possible to study university level mathematics on my own? If yes then how and what are resources that I will need? What are the best resources available on the web?

  2. Will I be as proficient in mathematics as the students from top universities who are taught by great teachers?

  3. What is the best piece of advice you will give me if I want to get into the field of coding/programming after completing my mathematics major?

  4. How do I develop myself overall during these three years in order to become a top notch mathematics student?

I'm an average learner and love doing mathematics.

The syllabus that I have to cover is :

  1. Calculus 2. Elementary Algebra 3. Analytical Geometry 4. Linear and abstract algebra 5. Differential calculus 6. Multivariate Calculus 7. Real and Numerical analysis 8. Probability and Statistics 8. Linear Programming 9. Discrete mathematics and 10. Mathematical modelling

Answering this question rigorously will help many out there who are seeking answer to similar question.

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  • Out of curiosity, what is the SSC? I assume it is some kind of standardized test testing high school knowledge, but never heard that term. – Olorun Sep 23 '15 at 04:38
  • SSC is Secondary School Certificate (India), equivalent to 10th grade – Shailesh Sep 23 '15 at 04:39
  • Linear algebra is straight-forward and useful; it's usually one of the first courses that is studied in the first year of an undergraduate degree; but really it depends where you are with your own studies. – Mozibur Ullah Sep 23 '15 at 04:55
  • The other possibility is classical mechanics - it introduces you to calculus and it's concrete. – Mozibur Ullah Sep 23 '15 at 04:56
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    I could leave my email with you to send you notes and other helpful documents. For the courses I have done. I am doing a math major and one thing that ensures my pass is getting information from students who have done the course already. So my email is [email protected]. – Mi-lee Wilson Sep 23 '15 at 06:04
  • While it's possible to study on your own I think it's far to easy to get lost on a dead end. You will for example most easily be too sloppy regarding proofs and requirements for theorem (which may become confusing). It's so much easier if you get feedback when you're on the wrong track or just plain simply wrong in your reasoning. – skyking Sep 23 '15 at 12:40
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    I've never been to a lecture and I'm doing fine. Maths is great because the 1 penny books that are 30 years old from Amazon are still perfectly valid. – Alec Teal Sep 23 '15 at 12:51
  • I was less than pleased with some of my CS and Math profs, so here is what I did: Find Lectures Online from the best universities like Stanford and MIT - For FREE. Find the list of books used in those courses, and get your hands on them (often lower-price copies are available outside the USA and/or maybe used in your area). Sometimes most of the coursework for completed-courses (with answers) is available on University websites. If you watch the lectures and do the exercises, you can learn anything just as well as those attending in person. (some *s put question on hold - so as comment) – JosephK Sep 23 '15 at 14:32
  • One good Calculus is "Calculus: Early Transcendentals", but it is very expensive. There is a metric/international version of that text, though, and it is dirt cheap. It is a paperback, and the pages are in black and white, but I can live with that for just $30. – John Joy Sep 23 '15 at 14:38
  • @Mi-leeWilson would be happy to get notes from you. It would be a great help if you can mail me at [email protected] – user273316 Sep 23 '15 at 19:02
  • @AlecTeal i checked your profile and you were going to lectures, why lie? http://alec-teal.co.uk/ma225_syllabus.pdf

    "I've never been to a lecture and I'm doing fine. Maths is great because the 1 penny books that are 30 years old from Amazon are still perfectly valid."

     – Combinatorics Sep 23 '15 at 21:38
  • @Combinatorics the latter statement supports my claim, and I have the syllabus and stuff because I'm actually doing a maths degree. I've been to 2 lectures in 3 years. That was a second year module so ~ 1.7-2 years ago now. (The site hasn't been updated since 2012) – Alec Teal Sep 23 '15 at 22:37
  • @AlecTeal ok so the statement youve never been to a lecture is false since you've been to 2, ok. anyway going to lectures is really important for making friends, how do you make friends in math without going to lectures? how are you surviving without friends? – Combinatorics Sep 23 '15 at 23:12
  • Duplicates https://math.stackexchange.com/q/127814 – user1147844 May 28 '23 at 00:18

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1) Yes, it is possible. I know several bright high school students who self-taught analysis, algebra and number theory. It is also very, very, very hard. Concerning resources, there are a lot to mention, but one resource is an absolute requirement: a complete, utter mastery of high school material, including those hard problems at the end of the section nobody looks at. You could get away with gaps in your knowledge if you were attending a competent school, but otherwise, without a solid basis in all things high-school, you will be completely lost.

2) Who can tell? But my bet is a resounding no. Not because you are not smart. Because the odds are overwhelming that somebody as smart as you is attending one of those schools. They have the founding and they have the great teachers. And great teachers do make a difference: that is why they are great teachers. This gives those students a huge heads up. You may be able to cover the lost ground, but definitely at the expense of time.

3) Best piece of advice: do not start coding after completing a math major. Start before or concurrently with that. There is no need for huge commitment: learn how to implement known algorithms efficiently, some basic managerial skills for application/system communications, and above all, some basic best practice principles in programming (please!). Some programming mindset can help you enormously with your mathematics education.

4) I cannot answer that, because I do not know what a 'top notch mathematics student' is, and I am willing to bet you meant to ask a different question there.

Final piece of advice: although from second-hand experience with Indian education I am willing to accept your story, before rejecting your educational environment, make sure you have really investigated all the options it offers, and you are not blinding yourself to a good mentoring opportunity with faraway visions of grandeur.

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Regarding your question 2), to be honest, I don't think this is going to work.

20 years ago I would have been absolutely sure about this, I may not have grasped the potential the internet has created for pursuing ideas like yours ba now. Unless you are one of the very, very few extremely highly talented people (Ramanujan comes to mind, but that's of course an exaggeration here), to become 'as proficient in mathematics as the students form top universities' (well, maybe not everyone of those is...) you'll need to be in regular daily discussions with others and will need advice and mentorship from experienced scientists. In my experience, very often concepts or ideas are only grasped when you try to explain them to others. And those need to be interested in the same topics and on a comparable level to yourself. I think it will be very hard to do that without visiting a university.

Especially if you think of yourself as an average learner.

This does not mean you have to start out at a top level university to become top level mathematician. But I doubt you'll get very far if you are really going to try it all on your own.

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    I'd say that one with self-learning wouldn't become better than that one being taught in a top university. But admitting that most students aren't interested in math at all, I think that an enthusiast still could become better with self-learning than these students of top universities. – Hi-Angel Sep 23 '15 at 10:37
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I was thinking along similar lines to Thomas, but I saw your part (3), and this seems to suggest a significantly different idea from all the rest of your post. Two of the tags in your post are abstract-algebra and algebraic-geometry, which are both fascinating fields of mathematics and could be profitable things to learn if you want to pursue mathematical physics, very mathematical computer science, or of course math itself. These are also comparatively difficult to learn, and you would want at least several people to work with and discuss them with. This is the scenario Thomas describes.

If you want to study for the purpose of becoming a programmer, though, the skillset you want is going to be very different. Math is great, but almost all programming jobs the only branches of pure math you need to be familiar with are

  • Calculus
  • Linear algebra
  • A bit of discrete math (modular arithmetic)
  • Graph theory

.. where control theory could fit in nicely if you want to do robotics or systems design, or differential geometry could be handy if you want to do computer graphics. Learning computer science, and the applications these branches have to it, is generally much easier to manage with just the internet than more abstract branches of math. The online courses for calculus and linear algebra are innumerable, and you will have an easy time finding tutorials for the other branches.

But abstract algebra doesn't easily lend itself to ''tutorials'', because it's not about learning how to use a tool, it's about learning to how build that tool from scratch and extend it. If you want to that you'll almost certainly need to get your hands on a textbook (I used and enjoyed Dummit and Foote) and work through the problems, at least a few per topic, without looking at answers. And then you'll need to find people online to confirm your answers or work with you. As someone who managed to teach himself CS and largely succeeded, and tried to teach himself math and struggled (until he went to university), I can tell you: Learning math without a school to accompany it will be at least 3 or 4 times harder than learning computer science.

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Yes it is possible. Just get the books, solve the problems in the books, maybe ask some teacher if they can help or check your work and you can also follow some well-known university's math cirruculum e.g. math 55: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Math_55

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As the other responses have amply indicated, it will be difficult. Not impossible (nothing is, with enough enthusiasm and gusto), but difficult. The point of university tuition is that it introduces concepts in a streamlined and intuitive manner, which, if you are learning of your own accord, may elude you. That said, if you have a few focal fields which you are interested in, it may be easier to build from the ground up to that point. But being "forced" to study each topic with emphasis on actually solving the problems yourself, and the (admittedly completely unrealistic) examination procedures to ensure that you've absorbed enough to proceed are pretty damn important. On your own, there's more room to get overly ambitious and subsequently very lost, which can really bog down your enthusiasm (dependent on your personality, naturally). I think it's a good idea to build up your basics, before entering university, which may make you more capable of getting admittance to a "better" school. Personally, when I started my Bachelor's, I had essentially no basic algebraic manipulation skills, knew next to nothing of trigonometry, but I spent summer (not all of it :p but enough) sitting on khanacademy and wikipedia and any of the plethora of other informatory resources out there getting up to speed on what I knew I already needed to know. I agree, heartily, however, with guest: don't write off what could still be a good opportunity, before you know what your opportunities are! All said, if you have the determination, time and wherewithal to pursue it of your own means and succeed, well, that's fairly admirable :)

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Why would you study mathematics if you want to go into the field of software? If you want to excel, choose your goal and select an education accordingly. If logical thinking in maths is appealing to you, you will be able to find equally challenging and interesting logical problems within software and computing. There is an academic field within software which goes much much further than "coding"/"programming".

At a university level you can pretty much select how much you want to work in groups or by yourself. You just need one person on your wave length in the classes to benefit from discussions and so on. If you find you better like to work on your own you can still do that, while getting your official papers from a recognized institution.

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