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This is from the book How to think like a Mathematician,

How can I prove the inequality $$\sqrt[\large 7]{7!} < \sqrt[\large 8]{8!}$$

without complicated calculus? I tried and finally obtained just $$\frac 17 \cdot \ln(7!) < \frac 18 \cdot \ln(8!)$$

Gwydyon
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Your inequality is equivalent to $$(7!)^8 < (8!)^7$$ divide it by $(7!)^7$, and get $$7! < 8^7$$ and this is clear, since $$1 \cdots 7 < 8 \cdots 8$$

Crostul
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    In the spirit of the question title, I'd note that the first line of this answer is key. Maths does of course love cleverness, but also thrives on knowing to do really simply things such as taking powers of both sides here to remove those ugly roots. – Keith Feb 27 '15 at 03:02
  • You are right, great ! I would have of to think there. – Gwydyon Feb 28 '15 at 17:39
  • Elegant! really clever! – Max Payne May 27 '15 at 16:19
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Think of

$${\ln(7!)\over7}={\ln(1)+\cdots+\ln(7)\over7}$$

as the average of seven numbers and

$${\ln(8!)\over8}={\ln(1)+\cdots+\ln(8)\over8}$$

as the average when an eighth number is added. Since the new number is larger than the previous seven, the average must also be larger. (E.g., if you get a better score on your final than on any of your midterms, your grade should go up, not down.)

Barry Cipra
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Note that $$ \sqrt[7]{7!} < \sqrt[8]{8!} \iff\\ (7!)^8 < (8!)^7 \iff\\ 7! < \frac{(8!)^7}{(7!)^7} \iff\\ 7! < 8^7 $$ You should find that the proof of this last line is fairly straightforward.

Ben Grossmann
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$8\ln (7!) < 7\ln (8!) \Rightarrow \ln (7!) < 7\ln 8 \iff \ln 1 + \ln 2 +\cdots \ln 7 < 7\ln 8$ which is clear.

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You have already turned the comparison of two geometric means into the comparison of two arithmetic means. So consider a more general comparison: show that appending a larger number always raises the geometric mean of a list of positive numbers by showing the effect on the arithmetic mean. Suppose the $x_i$ are real and $x_{n+1}$ is strictly largest. \begin{equation*} \begin{split} (1/(n+1)) \sum_{i=1}^{n+1} x_i &= (1/(n+1)) (x_{n+1} + \sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i) \\ &=(1/(n+1) (n x_{n+1}/n + n \sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i / n) \\ &> (1/(n+1) (\sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i/n + n \sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i / n) \\ &= (1/(n+1) ((n+1) \sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i / n) \\ &= \sum_{i=1}^{n} x_i / n \end{split} \end{equation*}

Note that we really only needed $x_{n+1}$ to be larger than the previous mean.

Alan
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The solution occurs just by doing simple calculations,
Lets start, $\sqrt[7]{7!}<\sqrt[8]{8!}$
iff $(\sqrt[7]{7!})^{7\cdot8}<(\sqrt[8]{8!})^{7\cdot8}$
iff $(7!)^{8}<(8!)^7$
iff $(7!)^8<(7!\cdot8)^7$
iff $(7!)^8<8^7\cdot(7!)^7$
iff $(7!)<8^7$
iff $1\cdot2\cdots6\cdot7<8\cdot8\cdot8\cdot8\cdot8\cdot8\cdot8$
wich is obviously true since $1<8,2<8,\ldots,7<8$

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Consider this

$$ x=\ln 8!-\frac87\ln7!=\ln8-\frac17\ln7!=\frac17\left(7\ln8-\ln7!\right)=\frac17\ln\frac{8^7}{7!}>0 $$ Hence, since the exponential is a monotonically increasing function: $e^{x/8}>1\implies (8!)^{1/8}>(7!)^{1/7}.$

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