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Do you pronounce differently Platsfuehrer and Plazfuehrer?

Anixx
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    Could you please explain what those words are supposed to mean? – Stephie Aug 23 '21 at 04:33
  • @Stephie I have no idea, just constructed them. Other possible examples: Ganzfuehrer vs. Ghantsfuehrer. – Anixx Aug 23 '21 at 04:34
  • Please use existing words. Otherwise it's a purely hypothetic question. – Hubert Schölnast Aug 23 '21 at 05:25
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    I currently do not find a real minimal pair, but perhaps a more realistic minimal pair might be "Schuttsauge" (might be a rubble sucking device) vs "Schutzauge" (might be a protective eye). Pronunciation of these differs by stops introduced between syllables. On the other hand, "hat's" and "Hatz" are pronounced identically. – Hagen von Eitzen Aug 23 '21 at 05:29
  • @HagenvonEitzen thanks. This might be a good answer. – Anixx Aug 23 '21 at 05:30
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    @HagenvonEitzen: That a word is written with "ts" does not mean that it should not be pronounced as /t͡s/. Arbeitsamt, Staatsoper and many other words are written with "ts" that is pronounced the same way as if it was written with "z". But maybe there are still words where "ts" is spoken as /ts/. – Hubert Schölnast Aug 23 '21 at 05:48
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    You can't establish phonemes by looking at the spelling. <ä> and stand for the same phoneme in hätte, Kette, yet stands for two different phonemes in Weg, weg. – David Vogt Aug 23 '21 at 05:51
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    I don't quite get why this question attracts so many downvotes. If asking about how a combination of letters is pronounced it makes sense to put them into otherwise identical context. An answer then can be (as Hubert shows) that context does matter while showing that the different letter sequences are otherwise pronounced the same, if context is identical – planetmaker Aug 23 '21 at 08:12
  • @planetmaker I didn't downvote. But I understand that such a poorly elaborated question (Platsfuehrer and Plazfuehrer?) attracts downvotes. – Olafant Aug 23 '21 at 13:43
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    @planetmaker It's equivalent to asking how to pronounce "flought". It's not an existing word and could be pronounced like "fought" or like "drought" for all we know. – YetiCGN Aug 23 '21 at 14:37

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[t͡s] is one doubly articulated consonant.
[ts] are two separate articulated consonants.

When the sounds [t] and [s] appear inside the same syllable, they are always pronounced as [t͡s], no matter if they are written as »z«, »tz«, »ts« or as »t«:

But if [t] and [s] belong to two different syllables, they have to be pronounced separately. And because in southern regions like Austria and Bavaria the sound [z] is almost always spoken as [s], you have at least in Austrian pronunciation a lot of words with [ts]:

But note, that all examples given here are pronounced with [tz] in northern regions of German sprachraum ([ˈtaːtˌzaxə], [ɡəˈvaltzaːm], [ɛntˈzɛndn̩].

Hubert Schölnast
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