The math behind converting from any base to any base without going through base 10?

Question

I've been looking into the math behind converting from any base to any base. This is more about confirming my results than anything. I found what seems to be my answer on mathforum.org but I'm still not sure if I have it right. I have the converting from a larger base to a smaller base down okay because it is simply take first digit multiply by base you want add next digit repeat. My problem comes when converting from a smaller base to a larger base. When doing this they talk about how you need to convert the larger base you want into the smaller base you have. An example would be going from base 4 to base 6 you need to convert the number 6 into base 4 getting 12. You then just do the same thing as you did when you were converting from large to small. The difficulty I have with this is it seems you need to know what one number is in the other base. So I would of needed to know what 6 is in base 4. This creates a big problem in my mind because then I would need a table. Does anyone know a way of doing this in a better fashion.

I thought a base conversion would help but I can't find any that work. And from the site I found it seems to allow you to convert from base to base without going through base 10 but you first need to know how to convert the first number from base to base. That makes it kinda pointless.

Commenters are saying I need to be able to convert a letter into a number. If so I already know that. That isn't my problem however. My problem is in order to convert a big base to a small base I need to first convert the base number I have into the base number I want. In doing this I defeat the purpose because if I have the ability to convert these bases to other bases I've already solved my problem.

Edit: I have figured out how to convert from bases less than or equal to 10 into other bases less than or equal to 10. I can also go from a base greater than 10 to any base that is 10 or less. The problem starts when converting from a base greater than 10 to another base greater than 10. Or going from a base smaller than 10 to a base greater than 10. I don't need code I just need the basic math behind it that can be applied to code.

Answer 1

This seems a very basic question to me, so excuse me if I lecture you a bit. The most important point for you to learn here is that a number is not its digit representation. A number is an abstract mathematical object, whereas its digit representation is a concrete thing, namely a sequence of symbols on a paper (or a sequence of bits in compute memory, or a sequence of sounds which you make when you communicate a number). What is confusing you is the fact that you never see a number but always its digit representation. So you end up thinking that the number is the representation.

Therefore, the question to ask is not "how do I convert from one base to another" but rather "how do I find out which number is represented by a given string of digits" and "how do I find the digit representation of a given number". Once we have the answers, it will be easy to answer the original question, too.

So let us produce two functions in Python, one for converting a digit representation to a number, and another for doing the opposite. Note: when we run the function Python will of course print on the screen the number it got in base 10. But this does not mean that the computer is keeping numbers in base 10 (it isn't). It is irrelevant how the computer represents the numbers.

def toDigits(n, b):
    """Convert a positive number n to its digit representation in base b."""
    digits = []
    while n > 0:
        digits.insert(0, n % b)
        n  = n // b
    return digits
def fromDigits(digits, b):
    """Compute the number given by digits in base b."""
    n = 0
    for d in digits:
        n = b * n + d
    return n

Let us test these:

>>> toDigits(42, 2)
[1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0]
>>> toDigits(42, 3)
[1, 1, 2, 0]
>>> fromDigits([1,1,2,0],3)
42

Armed with conversion functions, your problem is solved easily:

def convertBase(digits, b, c):
    """Convert the digits representation of a number from base b to base c."""
    return toDigits(fromDigits(digits, b), c)

A test:

>>> convertBase([1,1,2,0], 3, 2) 
[1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0]

Note: we did not pass through base 10 representation! We converted the base $b$ representation to the number, and then the number to base $c$. The number was not in any representation. (Actually it was, the computer had to represent it somehow, and it did represent it using electrical signals and funky stuff that happens in chips, but certainly those were not 0's and 1's.)

Answer 2

I think the best way to understand this is in discussion with an alien (at least as an analogy).

Definition $x$ is a number in base $b$ means that $x$ is a string of digits $<b$.

Examples The string of digits 10010011011 is a number in base 2, the string 68416841531 is a number in base 10, BADCAFE is a number in base 16.

Now Suppose I grew up on the planet QUUX where everyone is taught to work in $q$ for their whole lives, and I meet you who is used to base $b$. So you show me a number, and what do I do? I need a way to interpret it:

Definition I can interpret a number in base $b$ (Note: $b$ is a number in base $q$) by the following formula

$$\begin{array}{rcl} [\![\epsilon]\!] &=& 0 \\ [\![\bar s d]\!] &=& [\![\bar s]\!] \times b + d \end{array}$$

where $\epsilon$ denotes the empty string, and $\bar s d$ denotes a string ending in the digit $d$. See my proof that addition adds for an introduction to this notation.

So what's happened here? You've given me a number in base $b$ and I've interpreted it into base $q$ without any weird philosophy about what numbers truly are.

Key The key to this is that the $\times$ and $+$ I have are functions that operate on base $q$ numbers. These are simple algorithms defined recursively on base $q$ numbers (strings of digits).

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This may seem a bit abstract since I've been using variables rather than actual numbers throughout. So let's suppose you are a base 13 creature (using symbols $0123456789XYZ$) and I am used to base 7 (which is much more sensible) using symbols $\alpha \beta \gamma \delta \rho \zeta \xi$.

So I've seen your alphabet and tabulated it thus:

$$\begin{array}{|c|c||c|c||c|c|} \hline 0 & \alpha & 1 & \beta & 2 & \gamma \\ 3 & \delta & 4 & \rho & 5 & \zeta \\ 6 & \xi & 7 & \beta\alpha & 8 & \beta\beta \\ 9 & \beta\gamma & X & \beta\delta & Y & \beta\rho \\ & & Z & \beta\zeta & & \\ \hline \end{array}$$

So I know that you work in base $\beta\xi$, and I know what base 7 number any digit you write corresponds to.

Now if we were discussing physics and you were telling me about fundamental constants (say) $60Z8$ so I need to interpret this:

$$\begin{array}{rcl} [\![60Z8]\!] &=& \xi (\beta\xi)^3 + \alpha (\beta\xi)^2 + \beta \zeta (\beta\xi) + \beta\beta \\ \end{array}$$

So I start by multiplying out $\beta \zeta \times \beta\xi$ but this is grade school stuff for me, I recall:

Quux multiplication table

$$\begin{array}{|c|cccccc|} \hline \\ \times & \beta & \gamma & \delta & \rho & \zeta & \xi \\ \hline \beta & \beta & \gamma & \delta & \rho & \zeta & \xi \\ \gamma & \gamma & \rho & \xi & \beta\beta & \beta\delta & \beta\zeta \\ \delta & \delta & \xi & \beta\gamma & \beta\zeta & \gamma\beta & \gamma\rho \\ \rho & \rho & \beta\beta & \beta\zeta & \gamma\gamma & \gamma\xi & \delta\delta \\ \zeta & \zeta & \beta\delta & \gamma\beta & \gamma\xi & \delta\rho & \rho\gamma \\ \xi & \xi & \beta\zeta & \gamma\rho & \delta\delta & \rho\gamma & \zeta\beta \\ \beta\alpha & \beta\alpha & \gamma\alpha & \delta\alpha & \rho\alpha & \zeta\alpha & \xi\alpha \\ \hline \end{array}$$

so to find $\beta \zeta \times \beta\xi$ I do:

$$\begin{array}{ccc} & \beta & \zeta \\ \times & \beta & \xi \\ \hline & \xi & \gamma \\ & \rho & \\ \beta & \zeta & \\ \hline \delta & \beta & \gamma \\ \gamma & & \\ \end{array}$$

so I've got this far

$$\begin{array}{rcl} [\![60Z8]\!] &=& \xi (\beta\xi)^3 + \alpha (\beta\xi)^2 + \beta \zeta (\beta\xi) + \beta\beta \\ &=& \xi (\beta\xi)^3 + \alpha (\beta\xi)^2 + \delta \beta \gamma + \beta\beta \\ \end{array}$$

Now I need to perform the addition using the algorithm which was mentioned before:

$$\begin{array}{ccc} \delta & \beta & \gamma \\ & \beta & \beta \\ \hline \delta & \gamma & \delta \\ \end{array}$$

so

$$\begin{array}{rcl} [\![60Z8]\!] &=& \xi (\beta\xi)^3 + \alpha (\beta\xi)^2 + \beta \zeta (\beta\xi) + \beta\beta \\ &=& \xi (\beta\xi)^3 + \alpha (\beta\xi)^2 + \delta \beta \gamma + \beta\beta \\ &=& \xi (\beta\xi)^3 + \alpha (\beta\xi)^2 + \delta \gamma \delta \\ \end{array}$$

and continuing this way I get $$[\![60Z8]\!] = \zeta\delta\xi\gamma\rho.$$

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In summary: If I have my own conception of number in terms of base $q$ strings of digits, then I have way to interpret your numbers from base $b$ into my own system, based on the fundamental arithmetic operations - which operate natively in base $q$.

Answer 3

This is a refactoring (Python 3) of Andrej's code. While in Andrej's code numbers are represented through a list of digits (scalars), in the following code numbers are represented through a list of arbitrary symbols taken from a custom string:

def v2r(n, base): # value to representation
    """Convert a positive number to its digit representation in a custom base."""
    if n == 0: return base[0]
    b = len(base)
    digits = ''
    while n > 0:
        digits = base[n % b] + digits
        n  = n // b
    return digits
def r2v(digits, base): # representation to value
    """Compute the number represented by string 'digits' in a custom base."""
    b = len(base)
    n = 0
    for d in digits:
        n = b * n + base[:b].index(d)
    return n
def b2b(digits, base1, base2):
    """Convert the digits representation of a number from base1 to base2."""
    return v2r(r2v(digits, base1), base2)

To perform a conversion from value to representation in a custom base:

>>> v2r(64,'01')
'1000000'
>>> v2r(64,'XY')
'YXXXXXX'
>>> v2r(12340,'ZABCDEFGHI') # decimal base with custom symbols
'ABCDZ'

To perform a conversion from representation (in a custom base) to value:

>>> r2v('100','01')
4
>>> r2v('100','0123456789') # standard decimal base
100
>>> r2v('100','01_whatevr') # decimal base with custom symbols
100
>>> r2v('100','0123456789ABCDEF') # standard hexadecimal base
256
>>> r2v('100','01_whatevr-jklmn') # hexadecimal base with custom symbols
256

To perform a base conversion from one custome base to another:

>>> b2b('1120','012','01')
'101010'
>>> b2b('100','01','0123456789')
'4'
>>> b2b('100','0123456789ABCDEF','01')
'100000000'

Answer 4

Fundamental operation of base convertion is the toDigits() operation of @AndrejBauer answer. However, to make it there is no need to create a number in the internal representation of the numbers, which is basically a conversion from and to base 2 representation. You can make the needed operations in the original base representation.

So the first step is to do repetitive modulo division operation

def convertBase(n,original_base,destination_base):
    digits = []    
    while not is_zero(n):
        digits.insert(0,modulo_div(n,original_base,destination_base))
    return digits

As the internal representation is digits, one has to make a specilaised function for testing zero

def is_zero(n):
    for d in n:
        if d != 0:
            return False
    return True

Eventually one has to make the modulo_div operation which is actually the standard division by destination base as we learnt at school.

def modulo_div(n,original_base,destination_base):
    carry = 0
    for i in range(len(n)):
        d = n[i]
        d+=original_base*carry 
        carry = d%destination_base 
        d=(d//destination_base)
        n[i] = d
        #print(i,d,carry)
    return carry

just a test check to verify the code is correct:

print(convertBase([1,1,2,0], 3, 2))
#[1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0]

print(convertBase([1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0], 2, 3))
#[1, 1, 2, 0]

Answer 5

You can convert from base n to base 10 without any conversion to some intermediate base.

To convert from base n to base 9, for example, you take the algorithm for conversion to base 10, and replace “10” with “9”. Same for any other base.

Answer 6

There is one not-so-useful special case:
Pairs of bases where each is a power of their GCD.

You can just consider symbol groups "the size of their LCM" and use a lookup table - recoding more than handling numbers.

Answer 7

    // Let's look at the number 11201 in base 3
    // which we will represent as (11201),3
    // 
    // (11201),3 = ( ),7
    //
    // 3^4 3^3 3^2 3^1 3^0
    //   1   1   2   0   1
    //
    // The "amount" of number we have in any given base
    // can be computed as per the following algorithm:
    //
    // begin_psuedocode
    // ans = 0;
    // ans = ( 1 * 3^4 ) + ans;
    // ans = ( 1 * 3^3 ) + ans;
    // ans = ( 2 * 3^2 ) + ans;
    // ans = ( 0 * 3^1 ) + ans;
    // ans = ( 1 * 3^0 ) + ans;
    // end_psuedocode
    //
    // or, otherwise stated:
    //
    // begin_pseudocode
    // ans = 1;
    // ans = ( ans * 3 ) + 1;
    // ans = ( ans * 3 ) + 2;
    // ans = ( ans * 3 ) + 0;
    // ans = ( ans * 3) + 1
    // end_pseudocode
    //
    // first step in converting to new base, is to
    // represent input number in input base, for this example, base 3
    // ((((1*10 + 1)10 + 2)10 + 0)10 + 1)
    //
    // since arithmetic works in any base
    // we simply convert each number to the new base
    // and our above equation will still hold true
    // the magic of aritmetic and math
    //
    // so the next step is to
    // map equation to the output base, for this example, base 7
    // ((((1*3 + 1)3 + 2)3 + 0)3 + 1)
    //
    // lastly, to determine the number in the new base,
    // we actually process each computation in the equation, in the new base
    //
    // ans = 1
    // ans = ans * 3 + 1 = (1*3) + 1 = 3 + 1 = 4
    // ans = ans * 3 + 2 = (4*3) + 2 = 15 + 2 = 20
    // ans = ans * 3 + 0 = (20*3) + 0 = 60 + 0 = 60
    // ans = ans * 3 + 1 = (60*3) + 1 = 240 + 1 = 241
    //
    // So finally, we have that
    // (11201),3 = (241),7

For full implementation of algorithm, see: https://github.com/primetimenumberline/BaseSwap/blob/master/Program.cs

Live demo over at: https://numbertheory-baseswap.netlify.app

Sample outputs:

https://i.stack.imgur.com/hytsi.png

https://i.stack.imgur.com/uL9Wr.png

https://i.stack.imgur.com/TRdst.png

Answer 8

I know an easy way to do base conversion that doesn't require a computer program. It's by defining a way to convert from any base to base 2 and vice versa and then coverting from one base to another base by first converting from the first base to base 2 then converting from base 2 to the other base. 2 is so easy to multiply or divide by in any base.

To convert from any base to base 2, all you have to do is recognize that for any number, if you take its base 2 notation and start from 0 and then for each digit in order from left to right double if that digit is zero and double than add 1 if that digit is 1, you get to that number itself. Now given that number in any base, you can divide by 2 in that base to get a quotient and remainder. If the remainder is 1, the last binary digit is 1 and if the remainder is 0, the last binary digit is 0. Divide by 2 again. If the remainder is 1, the second last digit is 1 and if the remainder is 0, the second last digit is 0 and so on until you get a quotient of 0.

To convert from base 2 to any base, all you have to do is in that base, start from 0, then for each binary digit going from left to right, double in that base if that digit is 0 and double then add 1 in that base if that digit is 1.