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From this answer I gather that LDS teaches that all beings are eternal and that by eternal it is not meant existing timelessly beginning at some point but, rather, not actually having any starting point. Indeed the answer asserts that the first "stage" in the existence of every person (and also every God) is that of "intelligences". An intelligence then becomes a spirit being (the manner of this transformation is unrevealed) and a spirit being is embodied in flesh at mortal birth, lives on after mortal death, and has the opportunity to be exalted to Godhood.

The "intelligence" is asserted to be uncreated and self-existent.

This related question indicates that the LDS view of the Genesis account is that God did not create matter in the beginning but, rather, organized already existing matter. I have not ascertained if this pre-existing matter is self-existent. It is clear, however, that LDS teaches it was not created ... at least not by the God of Genesis.

Given that LDS teaches that all beings are self-existent (not created) and that matter was not created (at least not by the God revealed in Scripture), how does LDS interpret Colossians 1:16 which appears to clearly state that there is not anything anywhere that the God of Genesis did not create?

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him Colossians 1:16 

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"Create" is understood in the sense that the word is used in virtually all non-theological discussions--"create" means to organize. In the process, the creation is often imbued with attributes it did not previously have.

Beliefs on Creation ex Nihilo in General

One of the most direct discussions of creation ex-nihilo comes from Joseph Smith's King Follett discourse:

You ask the learned doctors why they say the world was made out of nothing, and they will answer, “Doesn’t the Bible say he created the world?” And they infer, from the word create, that it must have been made out of nothing. Now, the word create came from the word baurau, which does not mean to create out of nothing; it means to organize; the same as a man would organize materials and build a ship. Hence we infer that God had materials to organize the world out of chaos—chaotic matter, which is element, and in which dwells all the glory. Element had an existence from the time He had. The pure principles of element are principles which can never be destroyed; they may be organized and re-organized, but not destroyed. They had no beginning and can have no end. (source)

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The specific passage

A parallel argument can be made with respect to the Greek word , employed in Colossians 1:16. This verb is used to describe God's creation of both the earth & humans, and means "to create", "to build", "to form", or "to shape" (source). "Forming" & "shaping" are unambiguously not acts of creation ex nihilo, but involve working with existing materials.

As such, even if κτίζω meant creation out of nothing in some circumstance, it cannot be taken to always carry that meaning. I submit that there is no unambiguous usage of κτίζω to mean "creation out of nothing" in the New Testament (which is why the early Christian writers who supported creation ex-nihilo used 2 Maccabees, not the New Testament, as a proof text--see section 5.1 here). There are, on the other hand, examples in the New Testament where κτίζω clearly means to create out of something that already exists:

  • Ephesians 2:15
  • 1 Cor 11:9
  • Ephesians 4:24
  • Matthew 19:4 (critical text)

In particular, compare 1 Cor 11:9 & Matthew 19:4 to the description of those events in Genesis 2:7,22. God created (κτίζω per 1 Cor, Matthew) out of things/entities that already existed.


Appendix

Additional relevant scriptural statements include:

Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be. (Doctrine & Covenants 93:29)

The elements are eternal (Doctrine & Covenants 93:33)

Note this does not say that the body or the spirit has existed from eternity past, but that the "intelligence" (or "self" or "inner person") has always existed.

For a more in-depth discussion of philosophy, physics, and history regarding creation ex-nihilo, see my answer here.

Hold To The Rod
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  • "Now, the word create came from the word baurau, which does not mean to create out of nothing; it means to organize" This is incorrect. Create comes from κτιζω (ktizo) in Colossians and means to come into being because of the will of a founder. – Mike Borden Mar 20 '22 at 12:50
  • Also, "made" in Matthew 19 is ποιεω (poieo) not κτιζω (ktizo) as you say. – Mike Borden Mar 20 '22 at 12:51
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    @MikeBorden the Joseph Smith quote is not a commentary on the Colossians passage, but outlines the LDS view of creation ex nihilo. The verb κτίζω is indeed found in Matt 19:4. Note that in English "made"/"created" shows up twice. You are referring to the 2nd instance, I am referring to the first, which is κτίζω – Hold To The Rod Mar 20 '22 at 13:07
  • Must be a different manuscript. KJV has ποιεω in both places. I understand Smith was commenting on a Hebrew word but his point can't stand in the face of Colossians where the word used does not mean "to organize" but "to be willed into existence". – Mike Borden Mar 21 '22 at 15:02
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    @MikeBorden I looked it up--looks like the Textus Receptus has ποιεω and the critical text has κτίζω. I updated my answer, added a few more relevant passages, and provided further response per your comments. – Hold To The Rod Mar 23 '22 at 01:36
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Referencing the Greek lexicon for the word create:

κτίζω (ktizō)

Root Word (Etymology): Probably akin to κτάομαι (G2932) (through the idea of proprietor-ship of the manufacturer)

Outline of Biblical Usage:

  • to make habitable, to people, a place, region, island
    • to found a city, colony, state
  • to create
    • of God creating the worlds
    • to form, shape, i.e. to completely change or transform

Strong’s Definitions: κτίζω ktízō, ktid'-zo; probably akin to G2932 (through the idea of proprietorship of the manufacturer); to fabricate, i.e. found (form originally):—create, Creator, make.

One can see a similarity to this answer, in that this verse indicate not creation ex nihilo but making a place habitable, founding, forming, or shaping with pre-existing material/matter.

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him Colossians 1:16

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints do believe that God organized/created the heaven, earth, visible and invisible. With the understanding that he formed matter into what we have today. Even though we don't believe he created the matter, he formed everything and so he is regarded as the Creator. (if someone builds a home for you, they are the creator even if they didn't personally create/gather the materials-God could also be considered the architect as all things were created spiritually first)

From unofficial apologist site (wording is clear and concise):

Thus, Jesus certainly participated in the creation of all created things—but He worked with preexisting chaotic materials. The angelic ranks of "thrones, dominions, principalities, and powers" were also created by Christ, for these beings did not assume their angelic status or form without divine creative power, even though some aspect of their "intelligence" pre-dated God's creative acts in their behalf.

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  • And these preexisting chaotic materials are uncreated? Self-existent? Created by someone or something else? – Mike Borden Mar 21 '22 at 15:12
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    @MikeBorden uncreated matter/materials source – depperm Mar 21 '22 at 15:42
  • Spirit trees? Spirit amoeba? God had a beginning and these did not? – Mike Borden Mar 22 '22 at 12:08
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    @MikeBorden see this answer about beginning. I don't understand you question about trees/amoeba – depperm Mar 22 '22 at 13:47
  • The paragraph bullet point preceding the content you linked to in yesterday's comment spoke of spirit beasts, spirit fish, spirit trees, spirit amoeba, etc. ((Bruce R. McConkie, The Millennial Messiah, 642–43). – Mike Borden Mar 23 '22 at 01:12
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    @MikeBorden yes all things were created spiritually first before being placed on the earth. Millenial Messiah or same topic, easier access spirit creation – depperm Mar 23 '22 at 10:33
  • The spiritual is not first according to 1 Cor. 15:42-49. We are told in Genesis that every plant and herb had not yet "grown in the earth" because it had not yet rained...much like how a seed can actually be there but waits for moisture to germinate. There is nothing there to indicate that first there was a spirit tree. Nonetheless the LDS view puts trees, beasts, and amoeba on the same footing as Almighty God since all have begun as uncreated somethings (whether pre existing chaotic material or Intelligences) which become spirit somethings and then temporal somethings, etc. – Mike Borden Mar 23 '22 at 12:11
  • @MikeBorden 1 Cor 15 aren't about the spirit creation, those verses are about the resurrection (which I have no issue with). spirit and physical are different. I view spirit form as a template/blueprint, so everything/everyone has a blueprint (this isn't a whole picture-I don't think this is explicitly stated anywhere), and once given physical form we grow into that blueprint. there is nothing to indicate there isn't. Gen 2:5 indicates And every plant of the field before it was in the earth,... so plants existed before they were in the earth – depperm Mar 23 '22 at 12:47
  • Sounds like Platonic forms. God Himself was once only a blueprint/template, right? As we are, God once was? Template God...template amoeba. No rain and no man to work the ground are given as the reason nothing was yet growing in the earth. It does not say they weren't there because they were still just blueprints. It doesn't say they weren't blueprints, I guess, but it does give an actual reason other than blueprints. – Mike Borden Mar 23 '22 at 13:10
  • @MikeBorden if you want to think of it like that sure, but its not a theory/idea. As noted in the other answer I commented, and noted other places spirit is matter. Template isn't the best word (I used in trying to convey the concept, but you won't see template used in LDS doctrine to explain this, that I know of). Here is one reason why additional scripture is useful, as it can explain that things were created spiritually first, as it isn't clearly stated in Bible – depperm Mar 23 '22 at 13:16
  • Other "scriptures" often contradict the Scriptures we have. "Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. - Isaiah 43:10".  "Formed" here is to fashion into shape like a potter or to pre-ordain: To "organize" if you will. This lines up with the LDS view of creation and plainly says that there only ever was, is, or will be one God. – Mike Borden Mar 24 '22 at 13:23
  • I saw that. The idol "gods" that God wants Israel to keep away from are actually no God at all. That is the point, there is only one God and everything else that is called God is false. (Isaiah 44). The pride of a city to say there is no other city is not a statement of truth, it is a lie of pride and God's declaration that He alone is God is not such. That part of your answer compares apples to non-apples. – Mike Borden Mar 24 '22 at 14:16
  • @MikeBorden I addressed the verse in question here. I addressed Isaiah 43 there. You are free to not accept it, but that is the LDS perspective, as was asked. If you have further questions post them in a new question. Its kind of obvious none of my answers/comments are satisfactory to you – depperm Mar 24 '22 at 14:20