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How were the old saints like Moses and the prophets justified under the law? Were they justified by keeping the law? What is an overview of Catholic and Protestant views on this? Explain with Biblical references.

This question concerns the technical aspect of salvation that is justification or being right with God. The ability of Mosaic law to give life, and the ability of old saints to obey the law.

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  • Just to be clear, you're asking if anyone has ever debated these two translations? This question may be better asked on hermeneutics.stackexchange.com – The Freemason Oct 20 '16 at 16:01
  • Whom do you want an answer from / denomination? For example, Baptists may say there never was a debate. It is hard to frame your question and define the scope. – The Freemason Oct 20 '16 at 16:31
  • Is this eligible for being asked as an overview type question? – KorvinStarmast Oct 20 '16 at 17:01
  • This might work as an overview question, but it still feels broad to me. You seem to be asking about two things – 1) a verse and 2) a doctrine related to that verse – and you want an answer covering all of Christendom. It'd be better to focus on one of the two things, and narrow the list of whose views you want. – Nathaniel is protesting Oct 20 '16 at 17:21
  • I've edited further for consistency; please confirm. – Nathaniel is protesting Oct 20 '16 at 17:48
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    Catholic and Protestant... well that narrowed it down :) Seriously, what would the one single correct / accepted answer look like? Someone could focus on Catholicism and another Protestant and both be equally good answers, how would you choose? At this point, it's unclear to me. Maybe it's just me. – The Freemason Oct 20 '16 at 18:35
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  • Freemason, Geremia's answer appears a good one. @curiousdannii who saved people is related question and not duplicate with this one which asks technical aspect like justification. – Michael16 Oct 21 '16 at 08:43
  • Catholic theologians (e.g., St. Thomas Aquinas) have given answers to this question. Not sure about Protestants. – AthanasiusOfAlex Oct 21 '16 at 13:18
  • There is a serious problem in understanding the rules and requirement for ques here. If I dont specify a verse or denomination they object that its too broad and need specify verse and denom. If I don't then they say its narrow and I don't get the question. Impossible to ask here. Hermeneutics is quite fine where people understand the site. – Michael16 Oct 22 '16 at 17:29

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Revelation 13:8 says:

The Lamb who was slain from the foundation of the world.

It seems that God viewed the cross as an event beyond space and time.

If we read Hebrews 9:12-15, we can see and link together the three "eternals". The Lord accomplished an eternal redemption. By offering up Himself to God through the eternal Spirit, we have obtained an eternal inheritance.

It seems that the redemption of Christ has the divine eternal nature through the Spirit to transcend time in redeeming those who were thousands of years before Him as well as those who are thousands of years after Him. In other words, even if the world goes on for millions of years, Christ's redemption is still effective.

Watchman Nee, in his book, Fact, Faith, and Experience, says:

If the blood of bulls and goats was not able to remove sin, as we mentioned earlier, how then were those in the Old Testament saved? It was by the cross. Man had sinned. Hence, only a man could accomplish the redemption of sin. Although the animals were innocent, and although they were without blemish, they could not redeem man from his sins. Why then did God promise in Leviticus 17 that the blood of creatures was able to redeem one from sin? There must be some very profound meaning here. The things of the law "are a shadow of the things to come, but the body is of Christ" (Col. 2:17). Hence, the sacrifices and the offerings in the Old Testament all refer to Christ. Although Christ had not yet died at the time of the first covenant, God intended that all the sacrifices offered at that time be a type of Christ. Their death was taken as the death of Christ. Through the blood of many animals, God saw the blood of His beloved Son. Through many bulls and goats, He saw "the Lamb of God." Through the many sacrifices, He saw the substitutional death of Christ. When He accepted those offerings, it was as if He was accepting the merit of the death of His Son. Because of this, man was redeemed from his sins. God reckoned the innocent bulls and goats as His dear Son. Hence, He could forgive the sinners based upon the sacrifices they offered. Every time the offerings were slaughtered, they spoke of the coming sacrifice of the Son of God as the sin offering on Golgotha and of His accomplishment of the eternal work of salvation. Because the Lord is a man, He is able to redeem man from sin. Because He is God, He is able to redeem all men, past and present, from their sins.

Those who offered the sacrifices in the Old Testament, consciously or unconsciously, believed in a coming crucified Savior.

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