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First, this question makes two assumptions:

  1. For a person to be saved today, they must hear the gospel of Jesus Christ, and accept the gift of His death on the cross as penance for their sin.

  2. Before the death of Christ, the requirement for salvation was faith in God's future redemptive work (See How were people saved before ~33AD? ). This is what saved Abraham, the thief on the cross, and anyone else who was saved up to this point.

These two premises are commonly held by many Christians, including many very close friends of mine.

So my question is, given this understanding of saving faith, when, precisely, did the requirement cease to be "faith in future redemptive work" and instead become "faith in past redemptive work?"

The easy answer would of course be "The instant Christ died," but that has unfortunate implications for anyone who died 5 minutes after Christ did but did not know of Christ's death because the obituary had not yet been published.

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  • hmm... good question. – Nick122 Sep 21 '11 at 08:46
  • When the curtain was torn in half? – Cryst Sep 21 '11 at 09:09
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  • When Jesus began his ministry, he began forgiving sins. It was when the people learned about Jesus that the "future" became "past". 2. I'm not so sure about the second premise, but I'm having a hard time proving or disproving it.
  • – Richard Sep 21 '11 at 10:47
  • Jesus said, "except ye REPENT ye shall all likewise perish." Why is repentance excluded in your salvation formula? Also, I don't think penence is the right word for that. – The Preacher Oct 13 '11 at 01:23
  • @ThePreacher: My "formula" is not intended to be a complete formula, but only one part of a popularly-stated formula. "Believe in Christ, Confess your sins, Repent of your Sins" would probably be the more complete form. My question is only about the first of those three points. – Flimzy Oct 13 '11 at 01:24
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    I think people are struggling with your question because of a false, hidden premise: that the requirements for salvation changed when Christ died. Knowledge of Christ's sacrifice has always been necessary for salvation. The requirements for salvation have never changed. –  Oct 13 '11 at 23:03
  • @JustinY: So Abraham knew of Christ's sacrifice? – Flimzy Oct 13 '11 at 23:12
  • @JustinY: It's not at all clear to me that this means Abraham understood about Christ's sacrifice. In fact, I think quite the opposite is true. The Jews, at large, thought the Messiah would come to conquer, not to be sacrificed. – Flimzy Oct 13 '11 at 23:22
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    @Flimzy: Why would Christ say that Abraham was excited to see His day if Abraham didn't know about the sacrifice He was going to offer? That would mean Christ is saying that Abraham was excited to see Christ conquer the nations militarily, which He clearly didn't do and Christ knew He wasn't going to do that. –  Oct 13 '11 at 23:32