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If I'm directly in between the Earth and Moon, what distance from the Earth would I have to be so that the Earth and Moon have the same apparent size?

How big would the moon appear compared to it's normal size?

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When viewing a sphere of radius $r$ at a distance $d$ from the centre of the sphere, you don't see a circle of radius $r$. The extreme lines of sight are tangents to the sphere, as this diagram illustrates.

Tangents to two circles

A tangent to a sphere or circle makes a right angle to the radius at the point of tangency, so we have 4 similar right triangles. Let the radii of the circles be $r_1, r_2$ and the respective distances from their centres to the origin be $d_1, d_2$, so the (centre to centre) distance between the two circles is $d=d_1+d_2$. Then

$$d_1 = \frac{d\cdot r_1}{r_1+r_2}$$ $$d_2 = \frac{d\cdot r_2}{r_1+r_2}$$

and the angular diameter $\theta$ is given by

$$\sin\left(\frac\theta2\right) = \frac{r_1}{d_1} = \frac{r_2}{d_2} = \frac{r_1+r_2}{d_1+d_2}$$

Using values from Wikipedia for the radii of the Earth and Moon, and their mean distance, we get

Body Radius Distance
Moon 1737.4 82365.8
Earth 6371.0 302033.2
Sum 8108.4 384399.0

with the angular diameter $\theta\approx 2.41734°\approx2°25'$ or $145$ arc-minutes, which is almost $4.6$ times larger than the Moon's mean angular diameter as seen from Earth's surface, which is $31.7'$, although it ranges from $29.3'$ to $34.1'$.

The Earth is approximately an ellipsoid, and there are several ways to define the radius of the Earth. In this answer, I'm using the arithmetic mean radius. Another option that makes sense in this context (but not mentioned on that page) is to use a geometric mean radius $\approx6367$ km. A circle of that radius has the same area as a cross-section of the the Earth, in a plane containing the poles, perpendicular to the equator.


There's another viewing point behind the Moon, where the Moon just eclipses the Earth. Once again, we get similar right triangles.

Diagram of Moon eclipsing Earth

Let $s$ be the distance from the viewing point to the Moon's centre, and once again $d$ is the distance from the Earth to the Moon. We have

$$\sin\left(\frac\theta2\right) = \frac{r_1}s = \frac{r_2}{d+s}$$ So $$r_1\cdot d + r_1\cdot s = r_2\cdot s$$ Hence $$s = \frac{d\cdot r_1}{r_2-r_1}$$

Plugging in the values for the Earth and Moon, we get $s=144133.0$ km, and $\theta\approx1.38134°\approx1°23'$


Those two viewpoints are on the diameter of a circle (actually a sphere) of radius

$$q=\frac{d_1\cdot d_2}{d_2-d_1}$$

I'll add a derivation for that below.

At all points on that circle the Moon and Earth have equal angular size.

Equal angular size anim

As in the previous diagrams, the Moon & Earth circles are blue. The radii are approximately in their correct ratio in this diagram, but the distance between them is (of course) radically reduced, which magnifies the angular size. The large purple circle is the circle of radius $q$, the small pale purple circle makes it a bit easier to see that the angles are equal.

Let $M=(-d_1, 0)$ be the centre of the Moon and $E=(d_2, 0)$ be the centre of the Earth, as in the top diagram. We want to find points $P=(x,y)$ such that $$\sin(\theta/2)=r_1/PM=r_2/PE$$

That is, $$d_2^2((x+d_1)^2+y^2)=d_1^2((x-d_2)^2+y^2)$$ $$d_2^2(x^2+2d_1x+d_1^2+y^2)=d_1^2(x^2-2d_2x+d_2^2+y^2)$$ $$d_2^2x^2+2d_1d_2^2x+d_1^2d_2^2+d_2^2y^2=d_1^2x^2-2d_1^2d_2x+d_1^2d_2^2+d_1^2y^2$$ $$(d_2^2-d_1^2)x^2+2d_1d_2(d_1+d_2)x+(d_2^2-d_1^2)y^2=0$$ $$x^2+2\left(\frac{d_1d_2}{d_2-d_1}\right)x+y^2=0$$ $$\left(x+\frac{d_1d_2}{d_2-d_1}\right)^2+y^2=\left(\frac{d_1d_2}{d_2-d_1}\right)^2$$ Let $$q=\frac{d_1d_2}{d_2-d_1}$$ Thus $$(x+q)^2+y^2=q^2$$ which is a circle centred at $(-q, 0)$ with radius $q$.

Note that $$\frac1q = \frac1{d_1}-\frac1{d_2}$$ If $d_1=d_2$ then $q$ goes to infinity, and the circle degenerates to the vertical line $x=0$, i.e., the Y axis.

Using the previous values of $d_1$ & $d_2$, $q\approx113249.4$ km.


I should mention that these calculations assume the the Earth and Moon are perfect spheres, separated by a constant distance. In reality, none of those things are true, so the true angular sizes of the Earth and Moon are a little different to what I've calculated above.

As ProfRob says, the Earth isn't a perfect sphere. It's slightly flattened at the poles, with a flattening factor of $f\approx 1/298.25642$. The Moon is also flattened, but much less than the Earth ($f\approx 1/830$), due to its much slower rate of axial rotation.

Also, the orbit of the Moon & Earth about their barycentre is moderately eccentric, with a mean value of $\varepsilon\approx 0.0549$, and the eccentricity changes depending on the distance to the Sun.

Here's a daily plot of the Earth-Moon distance for 2020, produced using Horizons.

Earth-Moon distance, 2020

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    The difference in the result over just using the radius of a circle is only in the 4th significant figure. But the Earth's radius varies from 6378km to 6357km. So I think if you want quote that 4th significant figure you should discuss more carefully what radii you are using for the Earth and Moon. – ProfRob Dec 08 '21 at 07:02
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    So the set of points of equal angular size is truly a sphere? Cool. Mucking about with three-point circles and five-point conics on the intersection in Geogebra definitely made me think it was, and I wound up asking a question about that over on Math Stack Exchange . – notovny Dec 08 '21 at 15:25
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    @notovny Well, it's a sphere if we pretend the Earth & Moon are spheres, with a fixed distance between them. ;) I really don't want to deal with that wobbly distance, and slicing ellipsoids with the plane containing their centres and the viewing point... – PM 2Ring Dec 08 '21 at 15:31
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    @ProfRob True, for small angles, we can use the well-known approximation, $\theta\approx\sin\theta\approx\tan\theta$. The error from ignoring the flattening of the Earth (and of the Moon) is fairly small, the error from treating the Earth-Moon distance as constant is larger, although it just affects the absolute values of the viewing distances (and thus the angular diameter), not their ratio, which is determined by the radii. – PM 2Ring Dec 08 '21 at 15:48
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    My point was, that the error associated with the variation in the Earth and Moon radii is in the 3rd significant figure and is more important than the $\theta \sim \tan \theta \sim \sin \theta$ approximation. – ProfRob Dec 08 '21 at 17:41
  • @ProfRob Fair enough. But if we're calling trig functions anyway, we might as well use arcsin rather than arctan (assuming both are available). – PM 2Ring Dec 08 '21 at 17:47
  • What a great answer. – Fattie Dec 10 '21 at 16:10
  • @ProfRob 4th decimal .. wait, is that true even in the "closest" solution, ie, when at the appropriate point on the midway line between the two? (I guess the lunar astronauts would have seen this or near this point ...) – Fattie Dec 10 '21 at 16:12
  • This is a great and informative answer. Let me ask about the presentation side: what software did you use to make the plots, especially the animated one? – lukeg Dec 11 '21 at 17:39
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    Thank, @lukeg. I created the plots using Sage, which is a mathematics software system built on top of Python. Sage uses matplotlib to do the actual plotting. You can play with some of my Sage / Python scripts linked in this answer: https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/47345/16685 Those scripts run on the SageMathCell server, so you can run them in your Web browser without installing anything. FWIW, I wrote these scripts on my phone. ;) – PM 2Ring Dec 11 '21 at 17:54
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    @lukeg FWIW, Sage can also do interactive 3D plots & anims, eg https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/43350/16685 https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/28036/16685 https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/47554/16685 – PM 2Ring Dec 11 '21 at 17:59
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The Earth's radius is about 6371 km, while the moon is 1737.4 km. The distance between the two bodies is 384399 km. The formula for angular size (in radians) is $\delta = c$. Letting $x$ be equal to the distance from Earth, we get the equation $2 \arctan\Big(\frac{12742}{2x}\Big)=2 \arctan\Big(\frac{3474.8}{2(384399-x)}\Big)$. Solving this equation gives $\frac{4081676715}{13514}\approx 302033\ \text{km}$. Plugging in this value, we get $2^\circ\ 25' \ 1.78''$ as the angular diameter of the Moon, compared to $31' \ 5''$ as viewed from Earth, which is 4.66583 times smaller.

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    …should there be 2 solutions to the equation? One on the line segment between their centers (this answer), and one on the line extending beyond the moon… the point of the cone defined by the circumferential circles of the two bodies (sorry, that's a bad descrition.) – Craig Constantine Dec 07 '21 at 15:53
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    @CraigConstantine There's only one solution. See https://www.desmos.com/calculator/cmnvyngk8i – WarpPrime Dec 07 '21 at 16:38
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    There ARE multiple answers to the general question "from where is space". Craig's suggestion is one of those locations when on the line passing through the Earth and Moon but not in between the Earth and Moon. You answered the specific question of "on the line between the Earth and Moon". Also, 6371 and 1737 km are the radius of the Earth and Moon, not the diameter. – JohnHoltz Dec 07 '21 at 17:16
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    @CraigConstantine There is only one solution to fasterthanlight's equation, because we need a different equation for "observer-Moon-Earth" colinearity: $2 \arctan\Big(\frac{12742}{2(384399+x)}\Big)=2 \arctan\Big(\frac{3474.8}{2x}\Big)$. I get 144,133 km. Also there are an infinite number of non-colinear solutions. Also they will appear the same size when an observer is sufficiently far away that the angular diameter of both bodies is smaller than the minimum angular resolution of the observer, i.e. they both appear as point sources. – Connor Garcia Dec 07 '21 at 17:25
  • @fasterthanlight That plot shows negative angular size, which makes no sense - you need an absolute value in there. At very large distances the earth will have larger angular size since it is actually larger, but at distances just outside the moon's orbit the moon will of course appear larger. To continuously transition from one to the other (moon larger to earth larger), they must have equal angular size at some point outside the moon's orbit. Craig is correct, there is a second solution. – Nuclear Hoagie Dec 07 '21 at 17:27
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    For spheres, you need to use arcsin, not arctan. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_diameter – PM 2Ring Dec 07 '21 at 19:46
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    The set of all points of equal angular size appear to be a three-dimensional ovoid centered behind the moon. – notovny Dec 07 '21 at 20:10
  • @notovny Your comment would make an outstanding second answer to this question. – Connor Garcia Dec 07 '21 at 20:45
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    Silly number of significant figures. – ProfRob Dec 07 '21 at 21:07
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    @ConnorGarcia Perhaps if I've had some more time to look at the math; I'm not certain, but investigating the GeoGebra shape makes it look like the result I called an ovoid is at least very, very close to a being a sphere about 113 000 km in radius, centered on a point 415 000 km from Earth. – notovny Dec 07 '21 at 22:17