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Out of kindness, my professor gave me and one other student extra credit for volunteering at an event.

The issue is that the “extra credit” actually dropped my grade. Instead of giving a 15/15 he gave us 10/15. That's a D: 66.666 It dropped my grade from a 99.066 to 98.431.

He is my favorite teacher. I don't want to seem ungrateful.

How do I broach this subject? Or, do I just leave it alone? ————— I read all of the comments and they were very helpful. I decided not to broach the subject with him. Final grades just came out. He must have noticed as my score was adjusted to make sure my score was accurate.

SallyQ
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    Either you or the professor is not understanding how to add extra credit to your grade. Yes he only gave you 10/15 possible credit. But in the simpliest case, that should just add 10 points to your final grade putting you at 109.066 instead of the possible 114.06 if you earned the total possible extra credit. There may be a weighting factor that makes it less than this simple case, BUT there is definitely NOT any case that extra credit would lower your grade. The simplest course of action is to just ask. At a minimum use it as a way to chat and "get to know" your professor better. – gns100 Jul 21 '23 at 14:58
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    In the systems, I'm familiar with (D2L, etc.), the right way to add this kind of entry would be an assignment scored as "10/0" so it is a strict points addition. This might just be unfamiliarity with the inner workings of the scoring system, – Mark Omo Jul 21 '23 at 16:52
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    Just out of curiosity, what is the difference between 99 and 98.5? In the system I am most familiar with, the first is an A, and the second is an A. Does it actually matter? – Xander Henderson Jul 22 '23 at 00:15
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    @XanderHenderson … in fact, I doubt there’s a material difference in anybody’s mind between 99 and 98, so this is really much ado about nothing. – ZeroTheHero Jul 22 '23 at 12:51
  • If there is something like a subject prize for top mark, it could matter, I guess. @XanderHenderson – Adam Burke Jul 23 '23 at 22:02
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    @AdamBurke Which is why I asked the question. Only the original asker can answer it. – Xander Henderson Jul 23 '23 at 22:04

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If it can drop your grade, it is not really "extra credit". Usually when you give a student an extra credit task it is something that is capable of raising their grade (if they do it well) or is ignored if it does not raise their grade. (In other words, the task is usually treated as if it were a "redeemable" assessment.) For that reason, one plausible explanation here is that your teacher might just have made a mistake in how the assessment for that item was incorporated into your overall mark.

Under the circumstances, it would be reasonable for you to broach the subject with your teacher. No particular finesse is required beyond a simple sincere enquiry that does not make demands, and shows appreciation for other aspects of the teacher's work. I recommend you go and see your teacher and point out that your "extra credit" work dropped your overall mark, and first just check if this was intentional. If it was intentional that it should be marked this way, it would then be reasonable for you to point out that the item being called "extra credit" work seems misnamed, and it seems unfair to you that it would drop your overall mark.

As to not wanting to seem ungrateful to your favourite teacher, it might be nice if you would preface your enquiry by telling your teacher that he is your favourite and that you appreciate what a good job he has done on his teaching. People like to hear when others appreciate their work, especially if he has done a particularly good job with you relative to the other teachers. However, XanderHenderson makes an excellent counter-point in the comments below where he notes that this might come across as you "buttering up" your teacher, and he might prefer not to hear this part in that context. If after you've explained your concern, your teacher decides he wants to keep your mark as it is, and is comfortable continuing to call this type of task "extra credit" work despite its potential adverse impact on marks, then it would probably be best to thank him for considering the issue and leave it at that. (Let him then mull it over in his own time for use with future students.)

Finally, you will have observed in the comments to the various answers that there are some academics/graduates who do not like "quibbles" over what are already high marks, and so some will take an inherently negative view of anything that involves seeking to change a 98 to a 99. I am on the side of those who think that this part is irrelevant, and that it is still worth raising the matter to ensure that the marking is done correctly now and in future. I think CaptainEmacs puts it well in his comments below (for another answer) when he says that "[a] student that pays attention to these things is a student that achieves near full marks. That's the student you want to run your experiments or write your code or carry out your computations."

Ben
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    Thank you. I will take your advice. It was a mistake. I am not sure he understands that the possible points for an assignment and the grade earned need to match for the full score of 100 points. He has made this mistake in other classes as a matter grading for an assignment with multiple parts. In the grading app he allotted a possible grade of 25 points but only assigned enough work for 20 points which is an 80/B. He never changed the allotted amount. So everyone’s grade was affected. I don’t think anyone caught it. – SallyQ Jul 21 '23 at 12:43
  • @SallyQ probably because no one has such an extremely high grade as 99 :) – Ander Biguri Jul 21 '23 at 14:15
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    @SallyQ I'm going to hope that this isn't your math professor :) – David K Jul 21 '23 at 18:23
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    +1 I think it is likely a mistake. It sounds to me like the professor is having difficulty with whatever software they use for grading. The software might even be lacking the needed functionally to score "extra credit." – Aldus Bumblebore Jul 21 '23 at 19:03
  • That sounds likely. Incidentally, I have had similar difficulties with in-house online platforms (which are often not particularly user-friendly or clear) and so I always use a simple Excel spreadsheet with my own calculations as a "master sheet" for my grading. – Ben Jul 22 '23 at 00:00
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    For what it is worth, I really dislike getting emails that start with "I loved your class! I think you were a great instructor!" It might just be me, but those kinds of messages always come across as insincere. If I had made a mistake like this one, I would prefer to get a short email of the kind "Xander, I think there is a mistake in how my grade was computed. The extra credit seems to have lowered my overall score. Is this correct? Regards, SallyQ" Please don't try to butter me up, even if it is sincere. – Xander Henderson Jul 22 '23 at 00:18
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    @XanderHenderson: Excellent point. I've edited the answer to note this counterpoint. – Ben Jul 22 '23 at 03:03
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    … and for what it’s worth, I really dislike students wasting my time in arguing they deserve 99 instead of 98. – ZeroTheHero Jul 22 '23 at 12:54
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    @ZeroTheHero I'd still want to hear about it to make sure I didn't screw up anyone else's grade. – Bryan Krause Jul 22 '23 at 13:58
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    @BryanKrauseisonstrike Me, too. "Yo, Xander. I noticed that I seemed to lose points because of an extra credit assignment. Not a big deal for me---I think I have earned an A in either case---but if this is a systematic error, someone else might have gotten a lower grade than they deserved. Thanks for a great class, [Student]" (See, I can take a compliment, when it doesn't look insincere.) – Xander Henderson Jul 22 '23 at 16:22
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    Don't write "Yo Xander". Some people may actually consider that seriously acceptable writing. The fact that no honorific or polite distancing (Vous, Sie, in French and English) is used anymore does not make the student a buddy of the prof. – Captain Emacs Jul 22 '23 at 19:08
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    @ZeroTheHero I would agree with you if it was just some marking judgement. Here it is a matter of principle. It could be a small reduction or a large reduction or the step from pass to fail. Whatever it is, 'extra credit' should not penalize the student. – Captain Emacs Jul 22 '23 at 19:10
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    @CaptainEmacs I was only describing the kind of email I would be happy to accept, not what is necessarily acceptable for anyone else. I dislike honorifics, and would prefer that students address me a little more informally. I don't really care if students begin an email with that level of informality. But every instructor needs to make their preferred style of communication clear to their students. I have about a page in my syllabi on the topic. – Xander Henderson Jul 23 '23 at 03:15
  • @XanderHenderson I personally am not specifically attached to norifics. However, tolerating being addressed in "buddy-style" will tempt the less self-restrained of students to treat the academic like a buddy, and if you have not yet experienced the downside effects of that yet, consider yourself lucky. There is a considerable number of questions on SE which deal with how to handle lack/loss of respect as a junior academic. Of course, trustworthy students/inner circle etc. can ultimately get a more informal interaction, but they have to earn the academic's trust. – Captain Emacs Jul 23 '23 at 17:36
  • @CaptainEmacs Again, it is up to the instructor to make the standard of communication clear. At this particular moment in my career, at the particular institution at which I work, this more friendly and informal style works very well for me. Getting students to send an email at all is a victory. Just to be clear, I was not suggesting that precise message be copy-pasted by anyone and everyone. Every instructor needs to clearly set expectations for their students. – Xander Henderson Jul 23 '23 at 18:17
  • @XanderHenderson Ok. With this clarification, I can accept the argument. – Captain Emacs Jul 24 '23 at 10:22
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You are clearly on track for the highest possible letter grade in this course. No need to fuss about one half of one percent in the high nineties.

After the course has ended and you have earned your A you might consider asking your professor about a strange statistical anomaly you noticed: that less than a perfect score on what was nominally work for extra credit actually lowered your course wide average. They might want to look into that.

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    The fuss is not about half a percent, but losing marks on something that was supposed to be extra effort by the student. A student that pays attention to these things is a student that achieves near full marks. That's the student you want to run your experiments or write your code or carry out your computations. – Captain Emacs Jul 22 '23 at 19:12
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    @CaptainEmacs I agree. That's why I suggested calling the instructor's attention to the anomaly after grades have been assigned. – Ethan Bolker Jul 22 '23 at 19:35
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    @EthanBolker Why only after? They might want to look into that before grading. – JiK Jul 23 '23 at 20:55
  • @JiK After so that there is no way to misconstrue as concerned about the miniscule change of grade. The question suggests that this applies to very few very good students. If it were general then immediate notice might be warranted. – Ethan Bolker Jul 24 '23 at 01:00
  • @JiK Since the damage to the grade was totally unexpected (because it is utterly stupid, you shouldn't get worse results because you put in extra effort, and because your professor acknowledged the extra effort), nobody would have realised before grading. – gnasher729 Jul 24 '23 at 08:20
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Don't tell them to change your grade. Just tell that there might be a mistake in their calculation and show what happened. Do not demand any extra grade as it might be received as petty. It might be a good idea even to tell you are not after the grade. Instead tell them you are pointing this out just in case if there is a problem in the grade calculation. 99 to 98 is meaningless but if it causes someone else to drop from say A to A- due to being on the line, it could be an issue. Also there might be a deeper problem in the grade calculation which they might want to know.

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  • But of course you are after the grade. 99 = "One of the ten best students this year", 98 = "One of the twenty best students this year". This could cost you thousands. "Sorry, you almost got the job, but we only higher the top ten students". – gnasher729 Jul 26 '23 at 12:42
  • I don't know the department but for engineering there is 0 difference between those two. A few marks is always within the margin of error. – Cem Kalyoncu Jul 27 '23 at 13:02
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Your professor gave you extra credit, with the intention to give you some benefit for some valuable work that you have done. Now that good intention has backfired because of some "interesting" way someone calculated the total quality of your work. I would strongly assume that had your professor known this, he or she would have told you "you really deserve some extra credit for this work, but due to the strange ways of this university, it would actually hurt you, so I won't give it to you."

So you should tell your professor, and most likely they will make a decision so change things so that you and the other student don't suffer for this extra credit. The extra credit may be withdrawn if that is the only possibility, or it may even be improved so that your average doesn't go down.

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