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It's my first time teaching a college class as an instructor. My grade breakdown is as follows:

  • Worksheets 15%
  • Lab attendance and participation 15%
  • Homework 40%
  • Final Exam 30%
  • Discussion forum 3% extra credit

I have two TAs who have been doing the homework and worksheet grading. I provided the rubric for the homework to my TAs and they told me that there was a "distribution" in the grades. But after the initial check-in, I never checked the grade distribution again.

Now it is the end of the term and after receiving the (published) homework grades from my TAs, I see that they have a 98% average with virtually all students having a grade above 95%. That is: 55% of the students' grades are nearly perfect.

The attendance and participation grades have not been published yet and the final exam has not been written. Since this is my first course as an instructor, I fear the department's response because the grades might be too high.

But irrespective of the department's response, I'd like to have a grade distribution that's a bit more spread out. I've been writing and re-writing reasons for wanting a grade distribution but it turns out finding these reasons is harder than I thought. I guess it's just an intuition.

Obviously, I'm to blame big time for not having more grade components, to begin with. I'm also partially to blame for not keeping up with my TA's grading but I also told them repeatedly that I was looking for a "distribution" on the homework and feel like they did not warn me that the grades were very high. It's too late for all of that now.

Be all of that as it may, my students will take their final exam soon and they have not received their participation grades yet. I would like to see a grade distribution that roughly ranks the students according to their skills and that makes the testing harder than it has been so far. What are my options, and which one is best? Make use of the participation grade? Make the final exam harder?

Update:

Thanks for the amazing support, your sympathy with my situation, and your helpful responses!

The class I'm teaching is an intro STEM class at a highly selective school. This particular STEM major is very popular, so I imagine that the department wants to use the grading scheme to reduce the number of students.

I based my homework assignments on those from a previous instructor who had a more stereotypical grade distribution. If anything I made them a bit harder. So it's probably the grading instructions to my TAs that led to the differences.

Few of you have said anything about the role of participation grades. Most students were not particularly engaged during lectures (despite me trying to interact with them and using tools like jamboards and surveys etc). So I've been considering not giving every student a 100% for participation but more like something centered around 90% and differentiating from there. I said nothing about the way participation would be graded in the syllabus.

I also didn't specify the grade cut-offs in the syllabus. AFAIK, I can determine the cut-offs myself, within reason. Some students will understandably be annoyed if the cut-off for an A is set at a 93%.

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    Much of this would depend o things like where you are teaching, what department are you with, what level are the students, and so forth. I was in a very challenging US EE dept, but for example, it was considered normal for grad students to get very high grades and also for students in lab courses to get very high grades. – JosephDoggie Sep 07 '22 at 12:45
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    How endemic is cheating on homework at your institution? I tend to give higher weight to exams and individual projects than to homework, so that I’m relatively sure the grade reflects the individual’s work. – pjs Sep 07 '22 at 15:55
  • Cheating is probably a problem. I used original homework assignments but I also encouraged collaboration among students, as long as they would write up their own responses. – Tea Tree Sep 07 '22 at 15:57
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    Hmmm. Then it isn't cheating. – Buffy Sep 07 '22 at 16:11
  • Yes, I agree. I mentioned the collaboration just as another way of explaining the high homework grades. – Tea Tree Sep 07 '22 at 16:12
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    Wouldn't it be expected that an "intro" class in a "highly selective school" would end up with mostly/all high grades? – Michael Richardson Sep 07 '22 at 18:09
  • @MichaelRichardson: Not necessarily. “Highly selective schools” often put very challenging material into their introductory classes, for various reasons (cover more material quickly; introduce the students to a culture of working hard on touch problems; ensure strong students get stimulated rather than bored/complacent, …). – PLL Sep 07 '22 at 21:03
  • "encouraged collaboration among students" - After/during the pandemic students have had much larger groups and more effective use of communication to coordinate working together on assignments, for both good and for ill. It is very possible take home assignments have simply been taken by the entire class, particularly if they are instructed to work together. – RegressForward Sep 08 '22 at 00:22
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    Mostly a duplicate of: https://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/116460/grades-are-too-high-for-the-department-what-should-i-do?noredirect=1&lq=1 – Dawn Sep 08 '22 at 02:40
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    Just out of curiosity, is it usual at your institution to have homework make up such a large percentage of the grade? At my R1 university, for lecture courses, exams almost always count for at least 80% of the total grade. – spacetyper Sep 08 '22 at 07:41
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    How many students are in the class? If it's 20, you can easily just have a good group. If it's 300, your assignments were too easy, or people shared answers on a massive scale. – Jordi Vermeulen Sep 08 '22 at 14:04
  • If you haven't been told that your course is intended to reduce the number of students (you wrote that you "imagine" it is), I can't see why you should strive to do so or feel guilty for not doing so. Students will be annoyed if the grade cutoffs are revealed late the game to be unusual. That said, I spent my entire grades 7 - 12 at schools where 94% - 100% was an A, 84% - 93% was a B, etc. I had no idea that was unusual until university. – Todd Wilcox Sep 09 '22 at 01:28
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    I'm concerned about your statement of "so I imagine that the department wants to use the grading scheme to reduce the number of students"... don't imagine it is. Find out from your department leadership if it is. Then you will know if it is, or is not a fact. – CGCampbell Sep 09 '22 at 13:44
  • Does your school expect a particular distribution of grades? E.g., do they try to fit most classes to a normal curve? I can't figure out why you have "distribution" in quotemarks but don't specify the distribution. – cphlewis Sep 09 '22 at 19:39

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Let me add a few points to supplement the excellent answers of Juan and cag51.

There are some reasons why you might have such a narrow distribution, including an anomalous group of students. This happens, and statistically is guaranteed to happen (very) occasionally. I've had such a group in the past. I had to work especially hard to keep up with them, producing challenging work. They did well, but they earned it. There is no need to "spread" the distribution for a group of hard working excellent students. Doing so artificially is actually unethical.

While some institutions frown on it, it should be possible for every student in a class to win full marks and possible for every student to fail. If a group is motivated, and if you do your work well, the former is possible. If they are disengaged, don't care about the subject, the latter can happen. I've usually told my students this as a motivator. I've rarely had to fail anyone who actually worked on the material. I wasn't as "enlightened" early in my career, but grew into the role of instructor and mentor.

You are new at this, and novices (even novice teachers) aren't perfect. You may have made some mistakes in targeting the course to your audience. The solution isn't to change the expectations late in the game ("Oh, by the way, this isn't a hundred-yard dash, it is really a marathon. Heh heh heh"), but to rethink the process for the next time you deliver this (or another) course.

Your assignments set your expectations. If the students meet those expectations, then they should get the rewards. You can set higher expectations, but not in mid-stride.

As a learning experience, you might ask a colleague or two to look at your assignments and exams, etc. to give you advice. Perhaps they will have something to say that will help you set more appropriate expectations for the next course. And perhaps they will just say that you did fine.

I'll also suggest that if there was an error on your part, it may not have been grading too leniently, but not offering enough work that was sufficiently challenging.

Teaching is also a learning experience.

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    "it may not have been grading too leniently, but not offering enough work that was sufficiently challenging" ... my thought exactly. TAs do sometimes tend to grade too leniently, but if everybody did (almost) perfectly the most likely explanation is that the graded homework just wasn't difficult. – xLeitix Sep 07 '22 at 14:20
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    This is an excellent answer, and I want to highlight this portion: 'There is no need to "spread" the distribution for a group of hard working excellent students. Doing so artificially is actually unethical.' More teachers need to keep this in mind. – SirTechSpec Sep 07 '22 at 21:33
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    This is a valid point, particularly because students may learn and work together and for sure they communicate, so high motivation of some socially influential students may spread through the whole class. There is a temptation to think of students as independent and therefore to expect that roughly the same "quality distribution" will appear in every class, but in fact there are good reasons to expect that extraordinarily good and bad classes occur from time to time. – Christian Hennig Sep 09 '22 at 09:23
  • But, if 98% of the students are achieving above a 95% in the class, they're obviously cheating. That's what my current university professor brother-in-law told me when I read this question to him.... – CGCampbell Sep 09 '22 at 13:50
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    @CGCampbell, your brother-in-law is making some assumptions that may not apply. Simple work and lenient grading can lead to such a result even with "ordinary" students. – Buffy Sep 09 '22 at 13:53
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The goal of a test is not to deliberately establish a grade distribution. There is a standard to you need them to meet and the test should reflect that. If they all pass the standard comfortably then they should all have high grades.

I understand most courses have a different distribution from what you describe here, but I think it is best that you produce the test without being influenced by the current grades, and just honestly set a bar for the standard you need the students to cover on the subject, nothing more, nothing less.

I think the best way to shield yourself from criticism is to produce tests and assignments that follow the standard required of the course. That will be your best defense even if someone criticizes the test scores later.

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    If all the students merit high grades, there may be an admissions issue (or students being advised to take modules below their level of ability). – Dikran Marsupial Sep 07 '22 at 12:56
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    @DikranMarsupial Before a course, the required outcome or what is required to master can be easily accessed. Either you master these requisites, or you don't. If my peer and I both have the same expectations on ourselves after the course, but my peer performs higher than me, this should not be a reason to fail me, but both should pass. The idea that grades should be a distribution is stupid in my opinion. Either yuou know what you shoiuld after the course, or you don't. – DakkVader Sep 08 '22 at 07:39
  • @DakkVader students benefit from taking courses that push them hard to maximise their potential. Where there is no failure and everything is easy for you, there are no grounds for a sense of achievement or satisfaction. I want my students to have a sense of achievement. This is not a criticism of the course or the teaching, just a suggestion that the problem may lie elsewhere (and thus don't make changes to fix a problem that doesn't exist). – Dikran Marsupial Sep 08 '22 at 10:17
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    @DikranMarsupial so you'd fail students or give them lower grades based on each others performances, and not on their performance in the topic? What if one year the average performance is lower? or higher? do you just shift the bell curve? – DakkVader Sep 08 '22 at 15:20
  • @DakkVader What part of "and thus don't make changes to fix a problem that doesn't exist" makes you think I would want to do that? I don't believe in marking to a distribution either, and nothing I have written should suggest to you that I do. But if all students score highly on a module, that means there is either a problem with the module, with the program or with admissions. – Dikran Marsupial Sep 08 '22 at 16:30
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    @DikranMarsupial "But if all students score highly on a module, that means there is either a problem with the module, with the program or with admissions." Why does that mean a problem exists? Why is it not possible for all of them to have earned that high score? – trenthaynes Sep 08 '22 at 22:15
  • The goal of a test is not to deliberately establish a grade distribution. This is a normative claim that is not true in every cultural context. I like your answer, but without a country tag on the OP, there is no reason to suppose that this statement is true. The goal of some tests is to establish a grade distribution, often because the department can only allow a limited number of students to continue on in the major and needs to weed students out. – Max Sep 09 '22 at 04:30
  • Sure but even if the goal of the test was for a distribution, if all the students get good grades with their own abilities you wouldn’t adjust them to a distribution after the fact usually… – Juan Sep 10 '22 at 02:56
  • @whipdancer I most emphatically did not say that they had not earned their mark. The point is that if all of the students are getting a high mark it means that they are not really being challenged and are not making the most of their ability. Say you allow French citizens to take beginners French in a U.K. college. They will all have earned near perfect marks (as they have demonstrated that level of ability), but they have not really gained anything, and the course has not "added value". That would be an admissions problem - they should not have been admitted onto the course. – Dikran Marsupial Sep 10 '22 at 12:31
  • Rather than there being a grade distribution, I think it is probably better to say that there is a distribution of students. If the output distribution is binary it means that the educational resources are being used inefficiently and learning opportunities are not being maximised. So there ought to be an emergent distribution of marks (at least across a sufficient number of cohorts) assuming that there is a good program design and the students are a reasonable match to the nature of the course - if efficiency and adding value is the aim. – Dikran Marsupial Sep 10 '22 at 12:35
  • IMHO, marks are a means to an end. We don't teach students so they get high marks, we teach them so that they improve their understanding of the subject and become more capable. That should be the aim. Giving everybody high marks suggests that aim is not being fully realised. The OP is doing exactly the right thing in questioning whether the distribution of marks is a good thing, but that doesn't mean the problem lies within their module - it may lie elsewhere. I'm finding it hard to understand why that should be a contentious issue. – Dikran Marsupial Sep 10 '22 at 12:38
  • @DikranMarsupial I agree that everyone having high marks suggests that something is suspicious possibly, but when you are teaching a course regardless of how much you want to challenge students there is a limit, you wouldn't put calculus on an elementary math test final because they all aced addition. You try your best to challenge them and improve their knowledge within the scope of the course – Juan Sep 12 '22 at 01:33
  • @Juan you are missing my point, which is that "but that doesn't mean the problem lies within their module" e.g. admissions, so I was warning *against* making changes to the module until that had been investigated. For example, you shouldn't allow students that already have calculus to take an elementary maths course, because it would not be a challenge, they wouldn't learn anything - so change admissions not the course. It surprises me how often people comment without appearing to read what they are responding to! – Dikran Marsupial Sep 12 '22 at 05:18
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Obviously, I'm to blame big time for not having more grade components, to begin with.

Actually, your grading system seems reasonable. You have a test, homework, a lab component, and a participation component. Having more than one exam might have been a good idea, but your system is totally defensible.

I'm also partially to blame for not keeping up with my TA's grading but I also told them repeatedly that I was looking for a "distribution" on the homework and feel like they did not warn me that the grades were very high.

Actually, I think you should consider this more carefully. You have multiple TAs: did they both grade the same way? If so, it sounds like you were not as clear as you thought you were. If not, then you may have a bigger problem: students who had one TA got lower grades than students who had the other. Either way, you should have caught this before now.

It's too late for all of that now.

Yes, it is. Try to understand what happened, but it would be unfair to regrade the homework or change the grading scheme at this point (unless one TA was way harder than the other, in which case, you may need to "normalize"...which will reduce your distribution even further).

What are my options, and which one is best? Make use of the participation grade? Make the final exam harder?

It would be unfair to give an insanely-difficult test just to force the required distribution. Instead, give a reasonably test with a reasonable grading scheme. "Reasonable" is a broad term...you can choose something on the more difficult side of reasonable, but don't overdo it.

As for the participation, it is likely too late there. You should have been clear from the beginning what the participation requirements were and how the grading would be done. And if you were not, you will have to use some reasonable, commonly-accepted standard.

Finally, consider the conversion between numeric grades and letter grades. If you have already defined how percentages translate to grades, you should not change them now. But if you have not, you may have some flexibility here. As before, don't overdo it -- it is not fair to say that 99.5% is an A and 99.3% is a B; if you end up in a situation like this, you will have to award lots of good grades and take your lumps from the department. But on the other hand, a curve like 93%=A, 85%=B would be fine, even if a curve like 85=A, 70=B would be more typical for certain types of courses.

One last suggestion: warn the students (without blaming the TAs) that many students have very high grades going into the exam, so the exam scores will be very important. Students are rightfully upset when they go from an A+ to a C after an exam, especially when the exam is only 30% of their grade. Telling them that this may happen in advance will soften the blow.

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    I'll add that the most likely outcome of an "insanely difficult" final is a similar distribution, but with lower numbers, punishing everyone. Just. Say. No. – Buffy Sep 07 '22 at 12:47
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    Indeed. Worse, too-difficult exams tend to be arbitrary: the students who perform best tend to be those with stronger backgrounds or more experience working under pressure, rather than those who have the best overall mastery of the course material. – cag51 Sep 07 '22 at 14:41
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    "students who had one TA got lower grades than students who had the other" The easiest way to prevent this problem is to have one TA grade (for example) the even numbered problems and the other grade the odd numbered ones, so that any variation between the TA's is distributed evenly over all students. – David E Speyer Sep 07 '22 at 14:54
  • I believe at the institutions I attended as a student there was always a regulation that some percentage of points be at least an A, B, etc; instructors had more freedom to make an 85% grade an A rather than a B, but not a 92% grade a B rather than an A. In any case, those thresholds are pretty important to include in a syllabus, especially if they are unusual, and that might make a problem for OP where they cannot assign lower letter grades to the current distribution. – Bryan Krause Sep 07 '22 at 15:06
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    Even if not actually disallowed, I would not recommend using a very aggressive conversion range. The range I suggested (93=A, 85=B) is likely fine though -- this is the standard scale for many humanities classes in the US (and students are familiar with it from high school), though it's more unusual in STEM. FWIW, I usually had the opposite problem -- students would be very upset about getting a 75% on an exam, and I had to assure them that a 75% was already a high B and would probably become A-range once the homework and everything was factored in. But students don't like low numbers. – cag51 Sep 07 '22 at 15:23
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    In many institutions, grade distributions are set in stone by the syllabus and nothing short of a global pandemic would allow you to change an A from 90% to 95% (for instance). The one instance I've seen them changed after the semester started was classes moving from letter grades to pass/fail when covid hit with a few months left in the semester, but that was to make things more lenient rather than less lenient. – Robin Clower Sep 07 '22 at 15:53
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    @cag51 I would discourage changing the grading scheme to be harder to get high marks. I feel this is only ethical if done at the start of the semester and outlined in the syllabus. Otherwise you're moving the goalposts in a way that harms the student. Suppose someone needed an A to meet some GPA cutoff so was shooting for a 90%, and then last minute you tell them 90% is now a B. They should do this adjustment starting next semester. – Drake P Sep 07 '22 at 16:53
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    I never suggested changing the grading scheme! I specifically wrote: "it would be unfair to regrade the homework or change the grading scheme at this point." In my experience, conversions between points and letter grades is usually done at the end of the course and the cutoffs are not defined in advance. If OP has already specified the cutoffs, then I would agree that they should not be changed. Edited to clarify. – cag51 Sep 07 '22 at 19:51
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    It would shock me if there isn't aren't default grading cutoffs at the university to be applied if the course syllabus doesn't specify something different. The instructor should absolutely not change this late in the semester unless it is to the students' advantage. This would be a clear student win on my university's grade appeals committee (which I have previously chaired). – Dawn Sep 08 '22 at 02:37
  • Once again, I specifically wrote "it would be unfair...to change the grading scheme." Not sure why everyone is complaining about this point. – cag51 Sep 08 '22 at 17:51
  • @cag51 "The range I suggested (93=A, 85=B) is likely fine though -- this is the standard scale for many humanities classes in the US (and students are familiar with it from high school)" I'm genuinely curious. I'm not in academia, but am in school (again). Some 200 credit hours later, I've never encountered this. School has been exclusively in Texas, 5 different institutions (so far). Is this documented somewhere? – trenthaynes Sep 08 '22 at 22:26
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    @whipdancer - In my experience, grade ranges are fixed in high school by the high school; college instructors can set whatever range they want. Certainly I taught several courses in multiple institutions and was allowed to grade however I saw fit. As for this range specifically, the top google search result for "high school grading scale percentages" gives this result which provides two common scales, one of which is well-aligned with the one I provided. – cag51 Sep 08 '22 at 23:14
  • I think the reason people are commenting is because you are suggesting surprise (from the students’ perspective) non-standard grading cutoffs. At least I find them to be non-standard. – Dawn Sep 09 '22 at 13:36
  • I guess standard grading cutoffs are more common than I realized. I have never encountered them since high school. – cag51 Sep 09 '22 at 18:17
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This is of course just an anecdote from universities I have experience with, but the best advice I can give is this: always prepare the class with the assumption that the grades handed to you by the TA will be so high as to make no difference to the student's final grades. As a result, I would try to make sure the big-ticket items like tests are graded by you, or via scantron. TAs are for labs, homework, etc, while the tests are for distribution enforcement.

At least in my experience, most TAs will universally grade too generously, as it's often what they're taught to do, and what the departments prefer as well. And furthermore, asking them to be the ones that make or break a student is not fair. They don't have the professional training to assume so much of the University's (legal) responsibilities, and it's just a heavy task.

It's little help now, but prepare your future classes expecting your TAs to keep handing you universal scores of 90+. Because among every TA I've ever known, that's pretty par for the course.

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    For "too good" graded homweork: I don't think that really exists. If they all actually tried to do the homework, they should all get max grades on it. Homework grades IMHO are for effort and trying. Exam grades are whether you actually did learn it – Hobbamok Sep 09 '22 at 17:06
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Obviously this is only relevant for future occasions, but personally I'd assign a higher percentage to the exam, less percentage to homework (as it is relatively easy to submit good homework without actually having done good work themselves), and I'm reluctant to grade participation and attendance at all, because I don't like the students to participate or even attend because there are marks to be earned. I prefer them doing it out of genuine interest or the insight that this will likely improve their performance where it counts, and give them useful knowledge for their later studies and career. If grades are won through participation, this encourages annoying and meaningless contributions from students who think they should do this to improve their grades.

Note also that rather than grading some components, if your department allows it you can make it compulsory to achieve a minimum standard there for even qualifying for the exam, e.g., somebody needs 50% of homework marks to qualify, 75% attendance, and/or once present something in class, but these marks are then ultimately not counted.

Even though exams are not 100% reliable at assessing the achievements of a student, I think they're still much better than the other components, and you also give yourself more control of the final mark if you rate the exam higher.

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Why not answer this question with statistics? How many students are taking your class? If this is a large subject group, then there is bound to be a greater spread and less likely that all will maintain a higher grade. You never showed the actual class size. Second, how many have taken this class before. Pre STEM classes are absolutely everywhere right now. On a long enough timeline, with a large enough subject pool, you'll see regression to mean. Perhaps you haven't given it enough time or large enough pool?

OR perhaps you're not doing anything wrong... The last thing, and I honestly don't understand this, is why would a college want their students to fail? I spoke to a mathematics department about a computer program teaching mathematics. The end of the course resulted in a pass/fail final. From this I found that of the students who took the class, completed all of the homework and received 100% on participation and cognition, studied and tried... 17% would fail the class for no discernable reason. And I don't mean because of issues with mental health, stress, family, death, disability as those would allow the students to withdraw from the course. I mean failure for 'no discernable reason'. I realize schools need to make money, but you shouldn't continue to use programs which fail students intentionally. Perhaps you're doing nothing wrong. It's easy to forget you have an ethical obligation to your students, not just your college.

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