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In the USA, college sports are popular, and colleges may offer scholarship based on athletic skills. Yet, universities spend significant money on sports, and nobody earns as well as the head of the sports team.

Considering that the universities are losing money on it, and it's not their core task, then why do they spend big money on sports? Who benefits, and how? Do all major universities have commercialised sports teams, or are there major exceptions of universities choosing not to take part?

gerrit
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    I think this is a really good question. Where I come from we do not have the tradition of college sports, and to me as an outsider it seems rather perplexing and, frankly, entirely non-sensical for universities to (as a side-gig of sorts) also engage in quasi-professional sports. – xLeitix Jan 30 '14 at 22:24
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    @J.R. The question is specifically between the link to semi-commercial sport teams (as opposed to small amateur teams for "ordinary" people) and universities, a link that, as far as I know, doesn't exist anywhere else (perhaps Canada, I don't know). I don't see how an athlete is favoured by his sports team belonging to a university, as opposed to being stand-alone. – gerrit Jan 30 '14 at 23:17
  • @gerrit Canada has sports teams associated with Universities. I can't comment on whether they are as "strong" a presence as US College sports though (in my experience, University sports in Canada are proportionally not as big of a deal). – Irwin Jan 31 '14 at 00:33
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    "are there major [] universities choosing not to take part?" Caltech for one. – dmckee --- ex-moderator kitten Jan 31 '14 at 02:38
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    I strongly question the assumption that college sport don't make money. I've heard that mens football alone pays for all the other sports cost deficiencies with (LOTS of) money left over at most colleges. If we ignore the money, most students are in their early 20s and if they start a lethargic lifestyle now it is going to be really hard to get back into shape 10 years down the road. – krowe Jan 31 '14 at 05:30
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    @dmckee but CalTech is a member of the NCAA. – StrongBad Jan 31 '14 at 06:51
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    As a European I see this as an excellent question, it's a bit like tipping, what the heck is going on? – PatrickT Jan 31 '14 at 07:11
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    Related: http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1qsrmj/ – Jim G. Jan 31 '14 at 12:50
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    Krowe is right. It is true that the majority of US univ sports don't make money, but the ones that do (football, basketball, hockey in northern schools) pay for all the others. Regarding CalTech, their sports booster site looks just like every other school's. – fool4jesus Jan 31 '14 at 13:13
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    Kurt Vonnegut got it right in "God Bless you, Mr. Rosewater." The schools should pay the athletes for X years of competition during which time they do not attend class. They get a separate scholarship to attend as purely students at a later date. BTW, even at D-3 schools grades and courses get skewed to keep the jocks from flunking out. I know: I was a grader. – Carl Witthoft Jan 31 '14 at 14:55
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    It seems to me that (in part) that this is an American manifestation of the notion of the "renaissance man". However, this does not explain why this did not happen in Europe. – Baby Dragon Jan 31 '14 at 16:16
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    @krowe If the argument for college sports is that "it makes money", then why don't universities have whole divisions for exploiting other lucrative businesses like IT services, management consultancy, banking and brokerage? If the argument is public good (encouraging athletic lifestyle) then why does the US have such a high obesity rate and unhealthy lifestyle compared to European nations which don't encourage college sports? Why have countries like China and USSR been able to compete in the Olympics despite having much less emphasis on college sports? – Superbest Jan 31 '14 at 17:19
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    The NFL and NBA have an interest in sustaining sports in US universities. The football team and the men's basketball team are the sports which dominate. Serious athletic programs in these sports serves as de facto development/minor leagues for the professional leagues (NFL and NBA) into which they feed. These leagues spend less on recruitment, development, and talent scouting as a result of the existence of university athletic programs. It is no accident that both resist hiring players out of high school (this has broken down in the NBA, in part due to the competition of European leagues). – Dan Fox Jan 31 '14 at 17:26
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    I think that there is only one word for this !!!!!Money!!!! –  Jan 31 '14 at 20:09
  • @Superbest 1) Many of the various organization do participate in fund raising projects to make money. The major difference is that most of the other organizations don't have the draw to really make much money. You don't just walk into a chess tournament without a ticket and you don't compete without paying the registration fee. Yet the board and pieces cost less than either. If we could somehow figure out a way to charge the coaches we'd do that as well. Don't even get me started on the licensing. – krowe Jan 31 '14 at 20:27
  • @Superbest 2) I'd imagine if they did a study comparing obesity rates of US college athletes to European college students you'd find that atheletic competition does work for fitness. The # of student atheletes is very low compared to the total number of 20 somethings in the US so that isn't going to show in data measuring the overweight population in general. Another possibility is that while the US has a higher rate of obesity it may also have a higher rate of atheletic individuals (and therefore less average+underweight individuals). – krowe Jan 31 '14 at 20:27
  • @Superbest 3) Most countries are allowed to compete. I'm going to go ahead and assume that you meant to ask, 'why do they do well?'. The short answer is numbers. You are going to find a strong correlation between population size and wins. Also, the avg age of an Olympic athlete is 24yr old and the min age is 16. Many of the high skill\lower physically demanding event competitors are well above 32 years old. This means that a good portion in the more physically demanding events are not yet of age to be in college and those who are may put it off until after they go to the games. – krowe Jan 31 '14 at 20:29
  • I meant pursuing this activities with the same dedication as sports. If Harvard has a Football team to make money, why not a Harvard Investment Bank? 2) Perhaps the people who are college athletes would have been athletes anyway, so the college sports culture is not encouraging anyone to be more active, but only glorifying those who are already encouraged. 3) I meant compete in the sense of being competitive. My point was to challenge your assertion that college sports is somehow meant to encourage a more active lifestyle for the public. However, I feel we are filibustering the question
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  • The only person who is going to give a college student money to invest is that students' grandparents. Even if they go to HHHarvard. 2) Athletic scholarships more than make up for that I'm sure. 3) Yeah, and yep.
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    The amateur statistician in me has to point out that graph is seriously misleading. Read the fine print: "Administrator figures are medians salaries, the rest are averages." It is true of salaries that they are very positive skewed. That is, the "top 1%" make a whole ton of money. An arithmetic mean (colloquially, "average") will be inflated much more by that top 1% than will a median. Thus, this graph makes it seem like non-administrators make more money than they actually do. (and quite likely, football coach salaries are the most skewed, of those shown) – Phil Frost Jan 31 '14 at 21:14
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    @krowe - RE: most students are in their early 20s and if they start a lethargic lifestyle now it is going to be really hard to get back into shape 10 years down the road. This is a non-factor; a red herring. I'd guess that less than 5% of the students play varsity sports, so, to say that sports programs exist to promote a healthy lifestyle misses the mark. If long-term fitness were the goal, universities would spend more time promoting intermural sports where they could have a much higher participation rate. Fact is, we have sports because we are a sports-obsessed society. – J.R. Jan 31 '14 at 21:46
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    @J.R. Just like the chess club or the drama club or any other student org. football exists at colleges mainly because students want it. Part of that reason is because the college life is otherwise fairly sedentary. – krowe Jan 31 '14 at 22:02
  • @Superbest I think they DO have organizations like the Harvard Investment Bank, only they don't go by that name. They go under the name of "research programs." From what I've seen, universities (and the professors personally) make scads of money from corporations based on research. It's a win-win, of course: the univ and profs get money, the corporation gets advanced research, competitive advantage, and (eventually) high-quality talent in the form of the best students passed to them by the profs. – fool4jesus Jan 31 '14 at 22:08
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    As an American, I'm mystified by this practice as well, but also many of the theories proposed seem awfully weak and somewhat border on the feel of “conspiracy theories;” I don't see any that really makes sense proposed … – BRPocock Feb 01 '14 at 11:48
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    Regarding various comments regarding sports in general: European universities sometimes do encourage amateur sports as health/personal development/socialization side activity. In mine, there is a “sports and culture” center where you can do tango, yoga, piano and taekwondo. Students and staff have access at reduced prices and all this is funded out of the university's general budget. That's not what the question is about. – Relaxed Feb 06 '14 at 12:41
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    Wow, I'm impressed by the response this question has received! Currently 111 upvotes and 17 answers. I'm not quite sure about accepting a specific answer, as they're all valuable, in particular in combination. Perhaps I will choose one, but if I don't, don't take it as the question is unanswered, but rather as I don't want to choose one over the other. – gerrit Feb 06 '14 at 13:07
  • Somehow, USA culture elevated competition and team building (where competition is encouraged within the team as well, notwithstanding 'nice team playing' claims) to paramount values. Team sports promote these values: team building / team playing, competition among different colleges, competition within the team itself. In the USA, almost any activity is eventually turned into some sort of contest. – gd1 Feb 06 '14 at 17:17
  • There are significant elements of prostitution in the ways in which universities are run. Revenue-generating sports teams are one of those. Nominally it's an extracurricular activity of university students. In fact it is the sports teams that spend money on making sure that athletes keep up with their academic work so they can stay on the sports team; in other words, in many (not all) cases, it is for the purpose of being on the sports team that those students are at the university. Sometimes they have athletes who have no actual interest in being students. – Michael Hardy Oct 25 '15 at 23:24
  • I come to this question after reading an article comparing American athletes and Chinese athletes at Rio 2016. It goes something like "many of the athletes that won medals for the US are currently or formerly a student of some colleges". Gosh, the comparison is totally out of context if we ignore such factors and traditions in American college environment. So this is an excellent question. E.g. "the one who won the gold medal for France is currently a college student" would be received very differently (and it is in deed a big deal). – Jim Raynor Aug 14 '16 at 19:55