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Let $R$ be a ring with with no zero divisors. If $a, b \in R$ are such that $a^m = b^m$ and $a^n = b^n$, where $m$ and $n$ are relatively prime positive integers, then show that $a = b$.

My attempt: Let $m>n$. $\therefore a^na^{m-n}= b^nb^{m-n}$ or, $ a^{m-n} = b^{m-n}$. How do I proceed from here?

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Use induction on $m+n$. For $m+n=2$ the statement is obvious. Now suppose that you already proved the statement for all cases lower than $m+n$ then for this case by your method we have $a^n=b^n$ and $a^{m-n}=b^{m-n}$, hence by induction hypothesis we have $a=b$.

Note. Because of this fact that $(m,n)=1$ it follows that we always get relatively prime natural exponents.

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  • The proof essentially uses the subtractive form of Euclid's algorithm to show that if it's true for $,m,n,$ then it's true for $,\gcd(m,n).,$ Indeed any set $,S,$ of naturals $> 0$ that is closed under subtraction $> 0,$ (i.e. $, m>n\in S,\Rightarrow m!-!n\in S),$ is also closed under gcd. See my answer here for more on this viewpoint. – Bill Dubuque Apr 28 '15 at 17:22
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Let $d$ be the smallest positive integer such that $a^d = b^d$ where $a \ne 0, b \ne 0.$ By dividing $m$ by $d,$ we can express $m$ as $qd+r$, where $0 \leqslant r < d$ and $q,r \in \mathbb{Z}.$ So $a^{qd+r} = b^{qd+r},$ and therefore $(a^d)^qa^r = (b^d)^qb^r \Longrightarrow x^q(a^r-b^r) = 0.$ Since $a^d = b^d = x,$ and $x^{q} \ne 0$ it follows that $(a^r - b^r) = 0$ (since $R$ is a ring with no zero divisors) $\Longrightarrow a^r = b^r.$ This forces $r = 0$ since $0 \leqslant r < d$ and $d$ is minimal. Thus $m = qd$ so that $d \mid m.$ Similarly, $d \mid n.$ Thus $d \mid \gcd(m,n) = 1 \Longleftrightarrow d \mid 1 \Longleftrightarrow a = b. \Box$

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Notice that your idea doesn't (directly) show any signs that it will be needing the "coprime" condition. Perhaps we should follow that first.

If $m,n$ are coprime, there exist $i,j$ such that $mi+nj=1$.

Then $a^1=a^{mi+nj}=$?


Addendum: As drhab and lhf have pointed out in the comments, I have let my intuition run away with me on the likely answer, and there is still a final twist possible in the end, since we can't count on $a$ being invertible, and so having sensible negative exponents defined.

In your combination relating $1$ with $m$ and $n$, you must rearrange so that no negative integers appear. Say, if $i$ is negative, write $1+m(-i)=nj$, and if $j$ is negative, $1+n(-j)=mi$.

In the first case, for example, you can write $a(a^m)^{-i}=a^{1+m(-i)}=(a^n)^j=(b^n)^j=b^{1+m(-i)}=b((b^m)^{-i})=b(a^m)^{-i}$.

By cancelling $(a^m)^{-i}$ from both sides, you have $a=b$.

The other case is analogous.

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    It seems to me that this only works if $x^k$ is also defined for negative integers $k$. Am I overlooking something? – drhab Apr 28 '15 at 10:31
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    This almost works. You just have to move the negative term to the other side: $1+nk=mi$. – lhf Apr 28 '15 at 11:04
  • @drhab That's right. In my haste to offer a sensible hint I overlooked this. Thank you. I adapted the hint to address both comments. – rschwieb Apr 28 '15 at 12:34
  • @lhf Yes, thanks for contributing. I've adapted the solution into a CW one, which is simply what it must be by now :) – rschwieb Apr 28 '15 at 12:35
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Hint $\ $ The set of $\,k\in \Bbb N\,$ such that $\,a^k = b^k\,$ is closed under subtraction $\,> 0\,$ therefore its least element $\,d\,$ divides every element, so $\,d\mid m,n\,\Rightarrow\,d\mid (m,n)=1,\,$ so $\,d =1.\ \ $ QED

Remark $\ $ More conceptually in $\,S = R[b^{-1}]= R[x]/(bx\!-\!1)\,$ the order $\,d\,$ of $\, a/b\,$ divides the coprimes $\,m,n\,$ so $\,d=1,\,$ so $\,a/b = 1,\,$ so $\,a=b\,$ in $\,S,\,$ so also in $\,R,\,$ by $R$ embeds in $\,S\,$ (see here for a very simple little-known proof)

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Lemma. If $(m,n)=1$ then $\exists N_0$ $\forall a>N_0:a=tn+sm,t,s\ge0$

So we have $a^{N_0+1}=b^{N_0+1}$ and $ a^{N_0+2}=b^{N_0+2}$ so $0=a^{N_0+2}-b^{N_0+2}=(a-b)a^{N_0+1}$so we have $a-b=0$

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  • When you write "$;a>N_0;$" you might be wanting to change that $;a;$ by anything else, so that it won't get confused with the element $;a;$ in the ring. It'd also be nice (for me at least) if you could show some link to that lemma's proof: I can't see how to deduce it from Bezout's identity. – Timbuc Apr 28 '15 at 12:32