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Many of the professors and lecturers I come across are very critical of Wikipedia, but they never give proper support for their claims of "Wikipedia is bullshit!". And they threaten "Do not use Wikipedia if you want to pass!", and they mean it seriously.

It is true that "any Tom, Dick and Harry can edit it", but it is also true that Wikipedia takes a lot of effort to add in citations.

I do understand why we should not cite Wikipedia directly, instead go for the primary sources, but many do not even allow Wikipedia as a introduction to a subject matter. If I tell them "I read from Wikipedia that..." I get dismissed immediately, yet in online forums we use it like a Bible.

What is the real reason Wikipedia is perceived negatively among many professors, even for informal use (e.g. as an introduction to a subject)?

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    One possible reason is that Wikipedia is not peer-reviewed. That is to say, the contents of the articles are not systematically reviewed, critiqued, and approved by any experts on the subject matter. This is the exact opposite of how scientists get their results published and how scientific knowledge is accumulated. – Drecate Dec 04 '14 at 06:27
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    @Drecate This is the exact opposite of how scientists get their results published and how scientific knowledge is accumulated. That's not strictly relevant, because Wikipedia is not meant to serve the same purpose as the scientific literature - Wikipedia is not for original research. Original research obviously needs peer review in a way that a compilation of existing sources does not. – ff524 Dec 04 '14 at 06:33
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    @ff524 I guess you have a point. Wikipedia is not for original research. However, things like review articles and meta-analysis are also peer-reviewed, even though they are not technically original research. That is to say, you can argue that there are more rigorous ways to compile existing sources than that adopted by Wikipedia, and some may prefer one standard over the other. – Drecate Dec 04 '14 at 06:38
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    @Drecate I disagree with your "peer review" explanation. Most textbooks are not peer reviewed. But, professors (almost all) allow you to reference them. – Nobody Dec 04 '14 at 07:28
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    @scaaahu: then again, for textbooks you at least know the author, unlike for Wikipedia. – Stephan Kolassa Dec 04 '14 at 07:48
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    One more possible reason is "edit wars" though that happens for a small handful of articles only. – RJ- Dec 04 '14 at 08:36
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    "we use it like a Bible" - I think that quote sums up very well why students are warned off using it. – Vince O'Sullivan Dec 04 '14 at 08:48
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    "Academics have also criticized Wikipedia for its perceived failure as a reliable source, and because Wikipedia editors may have no expertise, competence or credentials in the topic". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia :) – hrkrshnn Dec 04 '14 at 13:34
  • Not clear from your question, but perhaps your prof wants to protect you from the bad decision of trying to learn new concepts from Wikipedia instead of a good textbook. Wikipedia is woefully unsuitable for learning new material. Most math articles are not very coherent, don't have a clearly structured line of thought behind them, and don't (can't) have a clear target audience (e.g. the same math concept should be introduced very differently for undergrad physics majors vs. for graduate math students). It's a result of many people editing short sections each. – Szabolcs Dec 04 '14 at 14:25
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    I think the title is a little misleading. The professor cannot fail you for casual use of Wikipedia. What you described as casual use isn't casual at all, if you are planning to cite information found on it in a research paper. Casual use is going on the site and reading articles which should be perfectly fine for your professor. They can't fail you for reading articles on it anymore than they can fail you for reading The New York Times. – Jason Hutchinson Dec 04 '14 at 14:38
  • Protecting this question because it's featured in "Hot Network Questions" and because it seems like the type to get a lot of non-helpful answers. – ff524 Dec 04 '14 at 19:24
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    When my professor said this, I countered with the argument that you can follow the linked sources. He seemed positively surprised that I knew this, and began to explain to everyone that following the links is OK and even useful. It seems to me that professors are worried that students base a lot of knowledge directly on Wikipedia (which in my experience, they do) and won't follow sources and research properly. So I guess the tone is: outright banning is easier than a massive grey area that requires an extensive explanation. – Dom Dec 06 '14 at 11:15
  • 'Cause Wikipedia is not an authoritative source of information. – jay_t55 Dec 07 '14 at 06:56
  • One of the primary points of college is to learn critical thinking, to discern authoritative sources from unreliable sources, criteria for a reliable source, get in the habit of using authoritative or primary sources, etc. Universities also teach the importance of accuracy and reliability as much as humanly possible. Although Wikipedia is excellent for casual conversation and exploration, it's unreliability, openness to editing by anyone, constant change, and many documented mistakes make it largely unsuited for academic work. http://goo.gl/DgwgkA http://goo.gl/EB0egb http://goo.gl/p3qObO – nickalh Dec 07 '14 at 07:00
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    @nickalh, I've seen many college students unable to discern authoritative information from correct information (facts). One problem with college is that they train students to think that being authoritative is synonymous to being right. – Pacerier Dec 08 '14 at 09:29
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    I have to ask... if you are using wikipedia as an introduction to a subject, as a route to primary sources, how would a professor even know? – Roaring Fish Dec 09 '14 at 11:48
  • Replace "I read from Wikipedia that..." with "I read from Encyclopedia Britannica that..." -- I am 100% certain you will get the same reaction. It's not about the specific source, it's about the fact that you're talking about a general-purpose reference work, rather than a specialized source with in-depth coverage. I would write an answer to this effect, but it has already been written, and deserves more attention. – senderle Feb 12 '15 at 13:34

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A small sidenote to start things off:

If I tell them "I read from Wikipedia that..." I get dismissed immediately, yet in online forums we use it like a Bible.

Well, one of the reasons for that is that "I read in Wikipedia" is almost synonymous with "I have exactly 5 minutes worth of knowledge on the topic". The problem here really isn't the fact that you read Wikipedia, but that citing from it implies that you have read nothing else on the topic. If I am an expert in whatever field, I would probably not take a concern from somebody who implies that all his knowledge comes from a few-minute Internet recherché very seriously, either (no matter what source (s)he actually found). Also, which online forums "use it like a Bible"? Most that I hang around at are very critical of Wikipedia quotes, mostly for the reason I stated above - arguing based on a Wikipedia entry does not exactly establish creds as a person knowledgeable about the subject.

Now, let's discuss the real question here:

What is the real reason Wikipedia is perceived negatively among many professors, even for informal use (e.g. as an introduction to a subject)?

(note that the question is specifically about using Wikipedia as an introduction to a subject, not as a primary, citable source)

Honestly? It is probably a combination of feeling threatened, reluctance to embrace change, and lack of knowledge how Wikipedia articles actually evolve over time.

"Feeling threatened" in the sense that Wikipedia is kind of decentralising knowledge compilation, which is of course not necessarily something that makes academics (the people that used to be more or less the definition of "compiled knowledge" in pre-internet times) very comfortable.

"Reluctance to embrace change" in the sense that Wikipedia is (in comparison to text books or lectures) a very new (and radically different) way to get an introduction to a topic, and most humans tend to be sceptical of this kind of disruptive technology.

"Lack of knowledge" in the sense that many critical academics simply have not taken the time to study how (especially popular) Wikipedia articles actually evolve over time. I am convinced many would be positively surprised if they knew how well quality control in Wikipedia actually works in practice. I remember that in 2004, c't (a well-known German magazine widely read by IT professionals) ran an experiment where they took random articles out of various encyclopaedias, anonymised them so that one could not tell the source anymore, and had domain experts compare them to anonymised Wikipedia articles for quality and technical errors. Wikipedia was consistently rated higher-quality than even well-respected standard encyclopaedias. That being said, I assume that the average quality of Wikipedia articles degrades a lot for entries on more esoteric topics, so I actually agree that for deeply scientific topics, one should be somewhat skeptical of Wikipedia, just as one would be about any other single source.

Finally, I have to say that I know many professors that don't have a problem with using Wikipedia as a starting point for your review of a subject. However, if you write, for instance, an seminar paper, you are expected to read the primary sources (and I fully agree with this).

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    I don't know if this is the same study you're referring to, but it's the same idea: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/EPIC_Oxford_report.pdf – ff524 Dec 04 '14 at 08:06
  • @ff524 No, it's not the same, but the approach seems very similar. Have not looked through the results yet, but from their conclusions it seems they arrived at similar ones. – xLeitix Dec 04 '14 at 08:08
  • @xLeitix: I came across this C'T article, which sounds reminiscent of what you are describing, yet it does not seem to say anything about anonymizing the samples (on the contrary, it seems like the different user interfaces/search features were somehow given some minor consideration for the evaluation): http://www.personal.uni-jena.de/~xcr/v2/Dateien/File/WS2012-13/Wikipedia.pdf – O. R. Mapper Dec 04 '14 at 10:48
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    It's precisely because I've watched how "quality control" in wikipedia actually "works" that I'm emphatic in steering students away from anything other than the references section of any wikipedia page. – 410 gone Dec 04 '14 at 11:20
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    I'm not sure about the "feeling threaten" part. The academics I know, even the more senior ones, are enthusiastic about the principle of Wikipedia and the like. The concerns are probably more on the quality of the contents. – Cape Code Dec 04 '14 at 12:31
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    I like your first point. If you are a university student, you're supposed to be in process of becoming an expert on a topic, and Wikipedia is what non-experts use to get a five minute overview on something. It's not enough. – RemcoGerlich Dec 04 '14 at 15:11
  • Regarding deeply scientific topics: those esoteric Wikipedia articles often suffer from a lack of information (many short articles with few details), but the information that is there is generally very accurate, at least in math and the hard sciences. Wikipedia is my go-to reference for mathematical identities (above even Wolfram's MathWorld). – David Z Dec 04 '14 at 16:20
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    @EnergyNumbers: that seems a little like saying “I didn’t like what I saw of Jane’s sausage factory, so I steer people away from Jane’s sausages.” If the alternatives they turn to are good-quality steaks (primary sources), that’s great. But if they’re going to eat sausages anyway, from some other company that doesn’t let the public see their factory, then it’s likely to be worse, not better. Warning them away from encyclopedias and other broad-coverage references in general — that makes sense. But from Wikipedia specifically? – PLL Dec 04 '14 at 20:32
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    Unfortunately I can't find the article online - if somebody has a link, I would appreciate an edit!)
    Did you mean: [citation needed] ^^
    – kingsfoil Dec 04 '14 at 21:50
  • Well, for one forum that cites wiki a lot: [Math.SE].SE – yo' Dec 04 '14 at 22:21
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    There was a famous Nature article comparing Wikipedia (very favorably) to Encyclopedia Britannica: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v438/n7070/full/438900a.html several years prior to the Oxford one. – KutuluMike Dec 04 '14 at 22:28
  • +1, I also strongly agree with the "Finally ...". If you write a seminar paper you are expected to read the primary sources. Like the people that write on wikipedia. – BiA Dec 08 '14 at 11:40
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    @PLL In fairness, as an epidemiologist, if I don't like what I saw of Jane's sausage factory, I do indeed steer people away from Jane's sausages. – Fomite Jan 11 '17 at 18:43
  • What's an "Internet recherché"? – fkraiem Jan 12 '17 at 11:36
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I think the primary reason professors don't want students to use Wikipedia is because a lot of students only quote Wikipedia instead of actually researching a topic.

The great thing about Wikipedia is it can give you a general idea about a topic and offer a starting point to dig in deeper. However, students can be lazy and instead of digging in themselves, they take the easy route and just reference Wikipedia. This is obviously not the point of Wikipedia and research, and I can understand the need to announce on day one to not reference Wikipedia.

However, the reference and bibliography sections of Wikipedia is the real gold mine and could be a great starting point for any research topic. This is what I see as a pure advantage of Wikipedia and what professors should also say on day one.

For example, suppose I'm interested in Financial Economies, so I do a quick google search. First hit : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_economics

Great discussion of the discipline, vague descriptions of risk, graphs, and financial pricing theory. But the real gold mine is in the reference and bibliographic section. There are references for financial economics, asset pricing, and corporate finance, which a great starting point for looking further into topics. The links point me further into a direction I'm interested in from very famous authors.

I can understand the question as a student and I think it's the professors responsibility to explain how not to use Wikipedia and how to use Wikipedia.

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    I usually find the references sections of Wikipedia to be a crapshoot. – Kimball Dec 04 '14 at 09:22
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    @Kimball Not entirely sure I agree with you without a stated example. I feel like searching through a university search engine is more of a crap shoot than Wikipedia. At least you get a direction with Wikipedia; whereas, library search engines give you a variant search. I'm not stating Wikipedia is the be all end all for initial research topics, but it's a great starting point. – Amstell Dec 04 '14 at 09:24
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    Wasted alot of time on your link ... – BlueTrin Dec 04 '14 at 13:03
  • @Amstell What's a "university search engine"?? – JeffE Dec 04 '14 at 14:46
  • @JeffE The library search engine – Amstell Dec 04 '14 at 17:42
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    @Amstell, admittedly library search engines are pretty random. Here's one example (sorry, I don't know any non-tecnical ones): this page lists a bunch of books under references for an irreducible representation, but they're all basically books about quantum mechanics, not representation theory. (There are representation theory books on the separate representation theory page, but even the items on that list are a bit incongruous with each other.) – Kimball Dec 05 '14 at 00:10
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    @Kimball thats the very point im trying to get at. The library search engines are awful and i feel Wikipedia is a good starting point for references. People that say Wikipedia is worthless or bias dont offer any real argument. Just statements of belief, which adds nothing. – Amstell Dec 05 '14 at 01:08
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    OP is already aware of everything you stated. You just repeated the question. Flagged as "not an answer". – 200_success Dec 06 '14 at 04:03
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Being a Wikipedia contributor myself I would not like to see my students cite wikipedia, though I would not say that such citations should be forbidden. Here are a few reasons for this:

  • Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, it does not contain original research and topics are not covered with great depth (for example in Wikipedia proofs for mathematical statements are not relevant in most cases). I would find it equally bizarre if students would cite the Encyclopedia Britannica.
  • Wikipedia article contain more errors than an average textbook. Especially articles of not so popular topics contain wrong statements. I discover this often (more on the German Wikipedia than on the English). Of course you might say that this is just my personal impression, but I would guess that the professors you mention had similar experiences.
  • At the university you should learn how to write about academic research. Honestly, I haven't seen a single scientific paper citing Wikipedia as a source.
  • Although everything that is written on Wikipedia should have a source - let's face it - many statements are just claims without a citation.

  • Wikipedia is dynamic - even more than other online sources. Pages can change dramatically over time, so if you cite you better add the access time.

Let me add that I think that Wikipedia is a great source of information for scientists. I just don't think it's the best source for citations.

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    This question isn't about citing Wikipedia. (We already have a question on citing Wikipedia here) – ff524 Dec 04 '14 at 15:56
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    Wikipedia article contain more errors than an average textbook. - is there a research that can back up this claim? Because from personal experience, this is opposite of reality. – Davor Dec 05 '14 at 10:08
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    "Although everything that is written on Wikipedia should have a source - let's face it - many statements are just claims without a citation." [citation needed] – Lazzaro Campeotti Dec 05 '14 at 15:17
  • @ArtiePrendergast-Smith, But they are amazingly easy to spot since there would be either a [citation needed] at the end of it, or there would be clearly no citations. You could just filter out the paragraphs without citation or assign less "authority" and more "doubt" to it. – Pacerier Dec 08 '14 at 13:18
  • "I haven't seen a single scientific paper citing Wikipedia as a source." If even less academically accepted Wiki's also count: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1473309907702128 – Fomite Jan 11 '17 at 18:47
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The very fact that you need to ask this question, in a way, provides its own answer.

One of the primary functions of academia is to teach the skills of research. There are two aspects to this, both critical; first, being able to find what work has been done by others and, second, to do new work yourself. Without the ability to effectively do the former you risk wasting time repeating pre-existing work when it comes to the latter.

Now, for non-academics, Wikipedia has rapidly become a catch-all, sole source, and generally fantastic one-stop shop for information. While this is well and good for casual use, it nevertheless provides an enormous disincentive to acquiring and practicing those critical skills of research that you will need if you intend to continue to pursue a career in academia.

My feeling is that most professors are, even if subconsciously, objecting to Wikipedia for this reason above all others. It feels wrong to them because it is a shortcut -- a cheat that puts a stop to a student's research effort before it even begins. In their own careers they have a deep appreciation for the need of strong research skills and, likewise, an appreciation for the need to teach those skills to students.

If Wikipedia ceased to exist at this very moment, ask yourself the question - "Where would I find information, and how would I go about doing it?"

In the world of academic research, this is the situation you find yourself in - beyond a certain level, Wikipedia will not have the answers you are looking for and you will need to have developed more advanced research skills to find them.

By artificially outlawing Wikipedia, professors are attempting to simulate what the real academic world is like - one where the answers are not already known and easily accessed; one where you, the researcher, are tasked with needing to know how to effectively dig deeper to answer questions for yourself.

The critical thing to realize is that higher education is not like primary school anymore. The error you are making is in thinking that an assignment about topic-X is chiefly intended to populate your brain with information about topic-X and that the most effective means of getting information about topic-X into your brain is the best solution to the problem.

This is wrong.

Topic-X is largely irrelevant. The real task is to teach you the skills you require to find information about any topic. Topic-X is simply a convenient and concrete sample of a topic on which to learn and practice those skills. That the information on Topic-X is readily available on Wikipedia is merely a reflection of the fact that, as a junior academic and undergrad, you simply (at the moment) lack the technical education necessary to be given a more advanced "practice" topic to research - one that would not be so readily found on Wikipedia.

Nevertheless, the professor's objection to Wikipedia is for a very clear reason - it is entirely counterproductive to their primary (and probably unstated) objective of getting you to exercise and develop real research skills.

Consider the broader context.

From a slightly different perspective, in a lot of ways Wikipedia has really raised the bar. If you are a university student and you are working towards a degree in a subject then it bears considering what that means. If any joe public can look something up on Wikipedia with the most minimal amount of effort then what does that mean for you?

Surely an academic degree needs to be something much more than a certificate proving that you know how to type "X" into a wikipedia search box. A child of 6 can do that these days - if you're looking to gain a serious academic qualification then you really need to be going above and beyond what has become this most basic level of ability to research information.

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    Then maybe the professors should design tasks that actually requires "real" research in the first place. – Alex Dec 04 '14 at 14:09
  • @Alex can you clarify what you mean by "real"? Perhaps give an example? I don't necessarily disagree but I'm unsure what you're saying specifically – Aussie Cryptocurrency Dec 05 '14 at 03:43
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    @WizardOfOzzie Well, I perceived the main thesis of this answer to be that the usage of wikipedia can be considered a "cheat" and that the students don't get to practice the skill of research in situations where the information is not as easily accessible as on wikipedia. Thus my suggestion was that if this really is a problem, then one way to mitigate it would be to give students research tasks where they actually have no choice but to exercise more "advanced" research techniques. – Alex Dec 05 '14 at 04:53
  • @Alex I see. Yes, it's certainly the way to go in an ideal world. My time in pharmacological research (Honors degree) really was a big difference when compared to coursework assigned for undergraduate assignments. I couldn't have used Wikipedia if I wanted given to (the drugs used didn't even have stubs in Wikipedia). There's a huge gulf between post-grad and undergraduate work/assignments IME – Aussie Cryptocurrency Dec 05 '14 at 06:12
  • @WizardOfOzzie, So where did you end up going to find sources? Google? – Pacerier Dec 08 '14 at 13:32
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A little googling turns up this list of reasons. I think you don’t need to agree with the author’s obvious agenda to take it seriously. A selective citation of a couple of points I personally think are most valid:

  1. You especially can’t rely on something when you don’t even know who wrote it.

 

  1. The contributor with an agenda often prevails.

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In March 2009, Irish student Shane Fitzgerald, who was conducting research on the Internet and globalization of information, posted a fake quotation on the Wikipedia article about recently deceased French composer Maurice Jarre. Due to the fact that the quote was not attributed to a reliable source, it was removed several times by editors, but Fitzgerald continued re-posting it until it was allowed to remain.

Fitzgerald was startled to learn that several major newspapers picked up the quote and published it in obituaries...

  1. Sometimes “vandals” create malicious entries that go uncorrected for months.

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For example, John Seigenthaler, a former assistant to Robert Kennedy, was falsely implicated in the assassinations of the Kennedy brothers on his Wikipedia biography for a period of more than 100 days without his knowledge.

And finally, the number one reason you can't cite or rely on Wikipedia:

  1. It says so on Wikipedia.

Wikipedia says, “We do not expect you to trust us.”

Given the composition of academe, I wouldn’t say their point 5 (“There is little diversity among editors”) really is an argument against Wikipedia in a contest with “standard” academia.

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    While this may generally apply to citing or relying heavily on Wikipedia, it doesn't apply as well to the scenario the OP describes where Wikipedia is used as an introduction to a subject (which, let's be honest, serious academics do all the time) or to raise a point of interest. – ff524 Dec 04 '14 at 07:59
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    The fake quotation is interesting. But as with all other articles, even published and peered reviewed ones, it is up to the reader to make an informed decision as to the validity and soundness of it all. I feel everything could just be an opinion, just some are backed by more people than others. – Jake Dec 04 '14 at 08:36
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    It's also very interesting that you consider "contributor[s] with an agenda" a major flaw in Wikipedia, and your source for this idea is an author with an "obvious agenda" :) – ff524 Dec 04 '14 at 08:37
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    Only the first number in a numbered list counts. Subsequent numbers follow from that, no matter what number you give it. This is for ease of editing (i.e., if you add a new list item, you don't need to renumber the rest of the list). – TRiG Dec 04 '14 at 10:03
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  • "All Cretans are liars"? ;-) Maybe they do expect me to trust them!
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  • @Stephan, The fact that the false claim is removed several times by Wikipedia editors actually supports the stand that Wikipedia is reliable. The fact that newspapers picked up the quote (which is then removed by Wikipedia editors) and publish it in obituaries actually shows that Wikipedia is more reliable than newspapers.......... – Pacerier Dec 08 '14 at 13:28
  • There was a newly appointed German minister with an awful long list of first names. Which Wikipedia got wrong. And they refused to let the man himself who should know best what his name is change it (somehow that was original research). And then a German newspaper used the wrong name, and was promptly quoted in Wikipedia as a source. If this newspaper quoting incorrectly from Wikipedia prints it, then it must be true... – gnasher729 Dec 08 '14 at 15:03